demagogue on 29/3/2014 at 20:29
Quote Posted by icemann
Though seeing recent events of Russian forces massing on the Ukraine border. Obama's response: "If you invade Ukraine, we'll slap tougher sanctions on you."
Yep that's going to really put the fear into them.
The news yesterday was Putin phoned Obama to work out a deal on just that. I think he (Putin) wants to quickly legitimize his taking & move on. Also he brought up Transnistria, so maybe he wants all the pro-Russian pockets taken care of together. So Obama is giving him a relatively easy out.
And there are more than a few people in the US that are happy Obama is being low key. He only has to play to domestic constituents in the end.
ZylonBane on 30/3/2014 at 00:24
Every time I see the title of this thread, I think Steve Jackson Games has released a new module.
june gloom on 30/3/2014 at 01:52
The tags. Yes. YES.
nemyax on 30/3/2014 at 12:04
Quote Posted by demagogue
Obama is giving him a relatively easy out.
Obama has been chanting "Just you try and go any further!" so hard it's beginning to sound like a dare. He's so desperate for a bogey man he's stooping to stand-up comedy fare: just recently he said that Putin's little bloodless land grab was worse than the war in Iraq.
Specter on 30/3/2014 at 16:10
The Russians should know as well as anyone that there is no better galvanizing force for a people than an invader.
icemann on 31/3/2014 at 03:44
Well the news said today that Russian and American politicians got together for talks. Russia basically said that they want all of Ukraine to "remain neutral" + recognise Crimea as Russian territory now, and America replied "not going to happen".
And then the program I was watching showed the parallels of Russia's recent actions, with that of the Nazi`s just before WW2 started, matching much of what was said here earlier. Interesting.
nemyax on 31/3/2014 at 08:13
Quote Posted by icemann
recognise Crimea as Russian territory now, and America replied "not going to happen"
The reverse (
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26814651) isn't going to happen either:
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And he made no American call for Russian troops to be pulled back in Crimea, or for the annexed territory to be returned to Ukraine.
For some delusional reason, the US thinks it's their call what will happen in Ukraine. It isn't. Sadly, it isn't any Ukrainian government's call either. It's Merkel and Putin's call.
Pyrian on 31/3/2014 at 19:19
Quote Posted by nemyax
For some delusional reason, the US thinks it's their call what will happen in Ukraine.
I'm sorry, but using diplomatic means and channels to attempt to influence a decision is not "thinks it's their call", in fact it's "acknowledging it's not their call".
Specter on 1/4/2014 at 02:03
Illegalities aside, it might be worth considering what this will mean for Ukraine (all parts of it) in the future. Had Russia never intervened, how long would it be before uprisings of another sort overthrew the new government? Does anyone see any way for a Ukraine evenly split between pro-Russian and pro-Western groups ever coming to a consensus on anything important? One side takes power, and signs XYZ agreement with the EU. The other side comes to power, and signs ABC with Russia. How does the country move forward?
I think the US has been struggling with the notion that while they cannot encourage Russia to act as it has, the radical change in Ukraine, once settled, will allow all sides to move on more decisively. I am not condoning the actions of any side, but wondering aloud if in the long term, this wont be what brings Ukraine out from the limping along it has been doing since independence.
