icemann on 2/5/2014 at 12:23
From stuff on the news today, it looks like the eastern half of Ukraine has effectively switched hands at this point.
nemyax on 3/5/2014 at 21:47
Quote Posted by icemann
it looks like the eastern half of Ukraine has effectively switched hands
How can it "switch hands" if
nobody is in control there any more?
icemann on 4/5/2014 at 07:56
Considering that the rebels, just as in Crimea support Russia and will be enforcing referendums within the next few weeks on whether each of the towns will be joining Russia or not, it looks pretty damn clear which end of the fence their on.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It's a duck.
nemyax on 4/5/2014 at 08:42
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the rebels, just as in Crimea support Russia
Not really. At least not to the extent that they seek accession to Russia. NATO's oversimplified manipulative fifth-grader level narrative would have you believe that Crimea and the east of Ukraine are the same, but they're not. Even the east is not uniform in its views. For example, what's happening in Slovyansk (a shellshocked mentally unstable local Afghanistan vet gathering a posse of like-minded military types and taking power by force) is very different to what is going on in Donetsk (where the pro-Russian crowd are largely peaceful and mostly ignored).
demagogue on 4/5/2014 at 10:08
According to the most recent articles coming out, the Ukraine regime is in an ironic kind of bind. They don't have a very strong military presence and ostensibly wish they had more capacity to just clean out cities of rebel strongholds once & for all, at the same time even their most modest interventions are considered serious provocations by Moscow that keeps making statements of leaving open the possibility to intervene to protect the Russian population.
All the while parts of a few cities remain under rebel control, which of course can't last forever one way or another. It's such a weird attrition of uncertainty, incapacity, and fabrication that keeps the whole region in a bizarre grey zone.
Tony_Tarantula on 5/5/2014 at 22:38
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At the end of the day, the US wont do a thing, no matter what happens in the Ukraine. The entire country could get invaded and they'd do zip. For the rest of Europe I'm not sure on that one, of if they'd get together and do something, though my moneys on a similar response.
They've already said as much. Kerry announced that the US will defend "every inch of NATO territory".....which sounds bold until you realize that Ukraine isn't NATO territory, and you've just been exposed to a prime example of lawyer-speak.
also:
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So, is Poroshenko the titular Ogre in Ukraine now?
demagogue on 27/5/2014 at 08:01
Clearly it's time for Ukraine to join Nato & get its military boosted =L
Wonder how far down the road Russia was thinking when it started, er, down this road.
