Nameless Voice on 13/12/2010 at 14:44
Better that they don't find out until we get the source code compiling, so we can publicly share a working package in case were are forced to go underground later.
New Horizon on 13/12/2010 at 14:53
Quote Posted by Syndy/3
But that still doesn't make them the devil worshipping bastards from hell that some paint them as here.
I don't think they're devil worshipers or bastards, I'm simply annoyed with them.
As for snickering that they don't have a clue...for me it's the posters on the Eidos forums that I'm having a snicker at, not Eidos management. Management no doubt already knows about the leak, but I certainly don't expect them to post about it...considering they haven't posted about anything pertaining to the fact the community found the source code in February and gave it to them. lol
You are probably right though, it is likely time to drop them a line and let them know there has been a leak....but that we would still like an official release.
Syndy/3 on 13/12/2010 at 14:54
@NV: I understand the logic, but you're risking to miss the chance to show your decency, under the premise that they will close you down anyway.
LarryG on 13/12/2010 at 15:15
Has anyone ever considered making a offer to buy the rights? Close to 1800 people have signed the petition. Given the age and technical obsolescence of these assets, perhaps we could raise enough in pledges to make a good faith offer? How much could they be worth, after all, to EIDOS? It's not like we would be asking for anything with real, current intrinsic value to anyone but us. Before the code was rediscovered, there was nothing to buy, but now ... what do you think?
New Horizon on 13/12/2010 at 15:33
Quote Posted by Syndy/3
@NV: I understand the logic, but you're risking to miss the chance to show your decency, under the premise that they will close you down anyway.
Yet we already showed them our decency by completely side stepping the source code when it was found in February. MoroseTroll probably could have arranged to have it given to us by the ex LGS staff member, but instead he chose to have the LGS developer send it directly to Eidos....leading us to wait, and wait, and wait...with no communication from Eidos and inquiries falling on deaf ears.
Their community relations practices are terrible...it's a fact that they really need to work on that.
It has been the same story for the last ten years though. Numerous petitions and requests to Eidos to help us find the source code.
There is a hard working community here who has built hundreds of fan missions, a complete unofficial campaign, and a Thief inspired Mod / Mapping kit for idtech 4...all for free!
All we've been asking in exchange is for the source code. At the very least, they could ask the community manager give us an update once in awhile. Even if it is just a..."they're still working on it". lol
In any case, as I said earlier...I agree that we should probably send a note to the community manager to see if he knows about the unofficial release.
New Horizon on 13/12/2010 at 15:35
Quote Posted by LarryG
Has anyone ever considered making a offer to buy the rights? Close to 1800 people have signed the petition. Given the age and technical obsolescence of these assets, perhaps we could raise enough in pledges to make a good faith offer? How much could they be worth, after all, to EIDOS? It's not like we would be asking for anything with real, current intrinsic value to anyone but us. Before the code was rediscovered, there was nothing to buy, but now ... what do you think?
Don't give them any ideas. Seriously. Id software and other companies do this for free. They see the potential behind open sourcing their old tech.
Eidos isn't going to do anything with the Dark Engine at this point. lol
LarryG on 13/12/2010 at 17:37
Aliotroph? over at(
http://www.doomworld.com/vb/everything-else/53574-dark-engine-system-shock-2-thief-source-code-leaked/) Doomworld forums raises an interresting point: "Often they can't [release the code], or won't, because they would have to spend time excising third party code they can't re-license." I did see some third party copyrighted stuff in my casual perusal of the source.
WildWeasel over there has this thought: "Actually, I don't think Eidos would own the rights to the code - I think that falls to Electronic Arts. Which just makes things that much worse, because they're more legally-active than most publishers."
Edit: I just think this is pretty.
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Boxsmith on 13/12/2010 at 17:46
IIRC the source code now in Eidos' possession has had EA's property stripped from it.
nickie on 13/12/2010 at 19:50
Quote Posted by LarryG
Has anyone ever considered making a offer to buy the rights?
I believe Queue offered $5 once.
Quote Posted by MoroseTroll
nickie: Alas, Eidos still haven't released the source. So our crusade isn't over.
Work in progress then and obviously you would change the names! Perhaps one of the fans' favourites - Edios! :)
MoroseTroll - I haven't posted here before that comment but I signed the petition and I have read this thread regularly and kept up with all the news. I have to say that I'm enormously impressed by the effort that was put in to this. I sincerely hope that the final outcome will be what you/we all wish for.
