Luthien on 25/7/2003 at 12:09
2. Speed Thief Runs2.1 Completed Runs (J, R)
0:52:19 TG Luthien (K)
1:15:16 TG Luthien
1:42:31 TG Spitter
2:15:59 TG Lytha
3:05:46 TG Lytha
3:15:00 TG Luthien (no saving, real time, actual time is less)
1:26:59 TDP Junkie Doodle (no Training)
1:58:41 TDP Lytha
3:12:03 TDP telliamed
0:44:59 TDP Ace (Bafford's - RtC)
5:31:22 TDP telliamed (Expert, no Training)
1:05:58 TMA Luthien
1:31:15 TDS CannibalK9
2.2 Thief Gold Run Details
Lytha's first run02:42 A Keeper's Training
01:32 Lord Bafford's Manor
06:57 Break from Cragscleft Prison
04:38 Down into the Bonehoard
07:32 Assassins
32:12 Thieves' Guild
06:25 The Sword
09:25 The Haunted Cathedral
47:55 The Mages' Tower
09:59 The Lost City
14:47 Song of Caverns
04:21 Undercover
10:40 Return to the Cathedral
04:46 Escape!
06:40 Strange Bedfellows
13:07 Maw of Chaos
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3:05:46
Lytha's second run02:21 A Keeper's Training
00:58 Lord Bafford's Manor
06:36 Break from Cragscleft Prison
04:08 Down into the Bonehoard
06:42 Assassins
18:33 Thieves' Guild
04:53 The Sword
07:38 The Haunted Cathedral
37:40 The Mages' Tower
03:45 The Lost City
11:13 Song of Caverns
04:44 Undercover
06:43 Return to the Cathedral
01:52 Escape!
05:56 Strange Bedfellows
12:08 Maw of Chaos
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2:15:59
Spitter's run02:11 A Keeper's Training
00:51 Lord Bafford's Manor
03:55 Break from Cragscleft Prison
03:43 Down into the Bonehoard
06:47 Assassins
09:41 Thieves' Guild
04:19 The Sword
05:11 The Haunted Cathedral
21:49 The Mages' Tower
06:43 The Lost City
07:53 Song of the Caverns
05:07 Undercover
04:30 Return to the Cathedral
02:03 Escape!
05:56 Strange Bedfellows
11:43 Maw of Chaos
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1:42:31
Luthien's first run02:20 A Keeper's Training
00:53 Lord Bafford's Manor
04:18 Break from Cragscleft Prison
03:05 Down into the Bonehoard
05:24 Assassins
06:00 Thieves' Guild
02:49 The Sword
04:49 The Haunted Cathedral
15:07 The Mages' Tower
02:42 The Lost City
05:55 Song of Caverns
03:41 Undercover
02:24 Return to the Cathedral
01:25 Escape!
03:03 Strange Bedfellows
11:13 Maw of Chaos
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1:15:16
Luthien's second run (K)
01:46 A Keeper's Training
00:44 Lord Bafford's Manor
03:35 Break from Cragscleft Prison
02:39 Down into the Bonehoard
05:02 Assassins
04:49 Thieves' Guild
02:25 The Sword
02:47 The Haunted Cathedral
04:41 The Mages' Tower (with keyholing)
(K)02:04 The Lost City
04:51 Song of Caverns
02:51 Undercover
01:30 Return to the Cathedral (with keyholing)
(K)01:10 Escape!
02:44 Strange Bedfellows
08:31 Maw of Chaos
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0:52:19
2.3 The Dark Project Run Details
Junkie Doodle's run (no Training)16:42 The Lost City
~2:00 Escape!
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~31:00 Lord Bafford's Manor - The Sword
1:07:45 Lord Bafford's Manor - Escape!
1:26:59 Total
Ace's run (incomplete?)44:59 Lord Bafford's Manor - Return to the Cathedral
Lytha's run~19:00 The Lost City
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1:58:41
telliamed's run (expert difficulty)10:33 Lord Bafford's Manor
27:27 Break from Cragscleft Prison
19:46 Down into the Bonehoard
16:02 Assassins
19:20 The Sword
35:23 The Haunted Cathedral
30:57 The Lost City
27:33 Undercover
52:48 Return to the Cathedral
39:07 Escape!
27:54 Strange Bedfellows
24:27 Maw of Chaos
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5:31:22
2.4 The Metal Age Run Details
Luthien's run (P, S)
03:09 Running Interference
02:52 Shipping, ... and Receiving
02:35 Framed
02:18 Ambush!
02:55 Eavesdropping (with pausing) (P)
03:33 First City Bank and Trust
03:16 Blackmail
07:54 Trace the Courier
03:26 Trail of Blood
06:44 Life of the Party
05:41 Precious Cargo
03:56 Kidnap
02:07 Casing the Joint
03:38 Masks
11:48 Sabotage at Soulforge
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1:05:58 Total
MorbusG's run (no saving, (http://whitecortex.net/~mikko/speedrun/) avi-videos)03:11 Running Interference
06:44 Shipping, ... and Receiving
03:11 Framed
02:54 Ambush!
09:33 Eavesdropping (with pausing) (P)
05:16 First City Bank and Trust
05:25 Blackmail
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0:33:05 Total (up to Blackmail)
2.5 Deadly Shadows Run Details
CannibalK9's run (TDS)02:31 Checking Inn - Cashing Out
06:33 End of the Bloodline
02:57 The City (1)
05:13 St. Edgar's Eve
00:27 The City (2)
05:53 Into the Pagan Sanctuary
04:32 The City (3)
06:45 The House of Widow Moira
01:40 The City (4)
05:49 The Sunken Citadel
00:36 The City (5)
05:20 Killing Time
05:54 The City (6)
04:40 Of Brethren... and Betrayers
01:36 The City (7)
13:18 Robbing the Cradle
07:02 The City (8)
06:13 Still Life with Blackjack
03:59 The City (9)
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1:31:15
Luthien on 25/7/2003 at 12:10
3. Mission Records
3.1 TG and TDP Missions Rankings
(from TG if not stated otherwise)
A Keeper's Training
01:39 Rogston (TDP)
01:46 Luthien
01:55 Lt-UnRealL
02.11 Spitter
02:08 santaClaws
02:11 Spitter
02:21 Lytha
Lord Bafford's Manor
00:37 Rogston (TDP 1.14v)
00:40 michael_
00:42 Secluded Memory
00:42 TK
00:42 Luthien
00:47 Lt-UnRealL
00:48 Ace
00:48 GrueSlayer
00:51 ACT SMILEY
00:51 Spitter
~0:53 -=V=-
00:54 scarecrow
00:56 Haze
00:58 Lytha
00:58 Paz
00:59 comfortably numb
>0:59 chickenlittle
01:02 Pointdexter43
01:03 Junkie Doodle
01:04 Yenzarill
01:06 Nethawk
~2:00 Tuler
02:10 ThievingME
02:52 Iscariot
~8:00 Tumbleweed (Lytha style, no saving)
~9:00 Burt
Expert Difficulty:
01:59 Luthien
01:59 sumeragi
>6:00 mopgoblin
10:33 telliamed (TDP)
Break from Cragscleft Prison
02:43 Rogston (TDP 1.14v) (M)
03:20 Luthien (with two speed potions from the store, Cutty's speech in German which takes mor time)
03:24 Lt-UnRealL
03:35 Luthien
03:55 Spitter
06:36 Lytha
Expert Difficulty:
27:27 telliamed (TDP)
Down into the Bonehoard
02:26 Rogston (TDP 1.14v) (M)
02:39 Luthien
04:08 Lytha
Expert Difficulty:
19:46 telliamed (TDP)
Assassins
04:26 Rogston (TDP 1.14v)
05:02 Luthien (German voice acting which is longer than english)
06:42 Lytha
06:47 Spitter
Expert Difficulty:
07:54 Lt-UnReaL
16:02 telliamed (TDP)
Thieves' Guild
04:49 Luthien
09:41 Spitter
18:33 Lytha
The Sword
01:46 Rogston (TDP 1.14v)
02:25 Luthien
02:51 Lt-UnRealL
04:19 Spitter
04:53 Lytha
Expert Difficulty:
19:20 telliamed (TDP)
The Haunted Cathedral
02:22 Rogston (TDP 1.14v) (M)
02:47 Luthien
05:11 Spitter
07:38 Lytha
Expert Difficulty:
35:23 telliamed (TDP)
The Lost City
TG:
02:04 Luthien
02:27 Tw1sT (with two speed potions)
03:45 Lytha
06:43 Spitter
TDP:
04:59 SaunaChum (TDP 1.14v) (M)
16:42 Junkie Doodle
~19:00 Lytha
TDP, Expert Difficulty:
30:57 telliamed
The Mages' Tower
04:41 Luthien (with keyholing) (K)
15:07 Luthien
21:49 Spitter
37:40 Lytha
Song of Caverns
04:51 Luthien
07:53 Spitter
11:13 Lytha
Undercover
TG:
02:20 SaunaChum (TDP 1.14v)
02:51 Luthien
04:21 Lytha
05:07 Spitter
TDP, Expert Difficulty:
27:33 telliamed
Return to the Cathedral
TG:
01:30 Luthien (with keyholing) (K)
02:24 Luthien
04:30 Spitter
06:43 Lytha
<5:00 Khamoon
TDP:
00:36 SaunaChum (TDP 1.14v, blocking the front doors with a skull)
00:55 ThievingME (Expert, blocking the front doors with a skull)
01:34 Nightvision
01:43 Lytha
<2:00 Gravel Keeper
TDP, Expert Difficulty:
00:55 ThievingME (blocking the front doors with a skull)
52:48 telliamed
Escape!
00:49 Escape! SaunaChum (TDP 1.14v)
01:10 Luthien
01:52 Lytha
~2:00 Junkie Doodle (TDP)
02:03 Spitter
~5:00 ThievingME
Expert Difficulty:
39:07 telliamed (TDP)
Strange Bedfellows
02:27 SaunaChum (TDP 1.14v) (M)
02:44 Luthien
05:56 Lytha
05:56 Spitter
Expert Difficulty:
27:54 telliamed (TDP)
Maw of Chaos
08:31 Luthien (Expert)
08:31 Rogston (TDP 1.14v)
10:00 - 11:00 ThievingME
12:08 Lytha
12:00 SlyFoxx (Expert)
13:14 SlyFox (TDP, Expert)
Expert Difficulty:
08:31 Luthien (Expert)
12:00 SlyFoxx
13:14 SlyFox (TDP, Expert)
24:27 telliamed (TDP)
3.2 TMA Missions Rankings
Running Interference
02:51 Poesta (v1.07)
02:56 Luthien (no saving)
03:07 StragenessDSS (Expert, no saving)
03:11 MorbusG (no saving)
03:14 Spitter
Expert Difficulty:
02:58 TheStefan
03:07 StrangenessDSS
Shipping, ... and Receiving
01:55 Poesta (M, v1.07)
02:52 Luthien
03:08 StrangenessDSS (no saving)
04:44 MorbusG (no saving)
08:26 Spitter
Expert Difficulty:
06:09 Bentraxx
Framed
02:02 Poesta (M, v1.07)
02:35 Luthien
03:11 MorbusG (no saving)
Expert Difficulty:
02:28 Bentraxx (exploited a bug)
Ambush!
02:04 Poesta (v1.07)
02:18 Luthien
02:54 MorbusG (no saving)
Expert Difficulty:
02:13 TheStefan
Eavesdropping
02:55 Luthien (with pausing) (P)
07:28 Poesta (M, v1.07)
09:33 MorbusG (no saving)
Expert Difficulty:
10:04 TheStefan
First City Bank and Trust
01:07 Poesta (v1.07, blast open metal door, not possible in 1.18)
03:33 Luthien
05:16 MorbusG (no saving)
07:04 S_Hole
Expert Difficulty:
03:51 TheStefan
Blackmail
02:16 Poesta (M, v1.07)
03:16 Luthien
05:25 MorbusG (no saving)
Expert Difficulty:
05:21 TheStefan
Trace the Courier
03:27 Poesta (M, v1.07)
07:54 Luthien
Expert Difficulty:
07:54 TheStefan
Trail of Blood
03:21 Poesta (M, v1.07)
03:26 Luthien
Expert Difficulty:
03:56 TheStefan
Life of the Party
06:42 Poesta (M, v1.07)
06:44 Luthien
Expert Difficulty:
11:49 TheStefan
Precious Cargo
04:41 Poesta (M, v1.07)
05:41 Luthien
Expert Difficulty:
08:49 TheStefan
Kidnap
03:43 Poesta (M, v1.07)
03:56 Luthien
Expert Difficulty:
05:40 TheStefan
Casing the Joint
01:06 Poesta (M, v1.07)
01:56 Luthien (without optional goal)
02:07 Luthien (with optional goal)
Expert Difficulty:
5:22 TheStefan
Masks
03:24 Poesta (M, v1.07)
03:38 Luthien (without optional goal)
Sabotage at Soulforge
11:08 Poesta (M, v1.07)
11:48 Luthien (K, S at 8:31)
Luthien on 25/7/2003 at 12:12
4. The Quickest Missions00:36 RtC (TDP 1.14v, blocking the front doors w/ skull)
00:37 Lord Bafford's Manor
00:49 Escape!
01:06 Casing the Joint
(M)01:07 First City Bank and Trust (v1.07)
01:30 Return to the Cathedral (with keyholing)
(K)01:39 A Keeper's Training
01:55 Shipping, ... and Receiving
01:56 Casing the Joint (without optional goal)
02:02 Framed
(M)02:04 The Lost City
02:04 Ambush!
02:16 Blackmail
(M)02:20 Undercover
02:26 Down into the Bonehoard
(M)02:27 Strange Bedfellows
(M)02:43 Break from Cragscleft Prison
(M)02:47 The Haunted Cathedral
(M)02:51 Running Interference
02:55 Eavesdropping (with pausing)
(P)03:21 Trail of Blood
(M)03:24 Masks
(M)03:27 Trace the Courier (v1.07)
(M)03:43 Kidnap
(M)04:26 Assassins
04:41 The Mages' Tower (with keyholing)
(K)04:42 Precious Cargo
(M)04:49 Thieves' Guild
04:51 Song of Caverns
06:42 Life of the Party
(M)08:31 Maw of Chaos
11:08 Sabotage at Soulforge
(M)Appendix A: Notes on cheats or bug exploitsSome of the listed mission times were achieved by exploiting certain bugs in the game engine. One may or may not consider these techniques cheating. For my own mission times, all applied techniques are noted in parentheses. For the mission times of others, it is unclear which techniques have been used.
J - Kangaroo JumpingBy jumping and jumping again immediately when landing Garrett can accelerate to insane speed in TG and TDP. Unless stated otherwise, it is assumed that everybody playing speed thief uses kangaroo jumping.
K - (http://dominikvogt.gmxhome.de/guides/keyholing.txt) KeyholingIn both games it is possible to lean through some closed doors and hatches and frob objects behind them. This can cut down some mission times dramatically.
M - Money RunA run with all the money from the previous mission with lots of stuff bought from the shop.
P - Pausing ConversationsThe command console can be opened in game with a keystroke. For example, put "bind p edit_command" in the user.bnd file. In T2, NPC conversations are played in chunks of a couple of seconds. If you pause the game at the beginning of a chunk with the key binding above, the sound chunk continues to play. Hit return on the console before the sound chunk ends. You have heard part of the conversation, but no game time has passed. Repeat this process until the conversation ends. In Eavesdropping this can save more than three minutes game time.
R - Strafe Running and JumpingIn both games, Garrett moves a bit faster if the strafe left or right key is held in addition to the run key. Unless stated otherwise, it is assumed that everybody playing speed thief uses strafe running.
S - Speed Potion BugBy accident, I managed to permanently gain the effect of a speed potion. If this could be reproduced reliably, many mission times could be cut down considerably.
Lytha on 25/7/2003 at 13:21
... why do you compile those lists? It is not as if we were having a competition or somesuch. At least I had only a competition with meself when I ran twice through Thief Gold.
Uh.
Luthien on 25/7/2003 at 16:17
* To have one thread to point to when the topic comes up again.
* For future reference by myself. It's difficult to find all the Speed Thief related threads in this place.
* I like statistics :)
* Why not?
Lytha on 25/7/2003 at 18:25
Very well. ;)
I just think it suggests that this community here was a place held together by some competitive nature. As if people had nothing better to do than to try to win in some sort of contest... ah, I dunno.
At least that was my impression when I found a thread like this one in some other community's forum, and it was one of the reasons why I did not stick around there for long. <i>Schwanzlängenvergleiche</i> are not one of my favourite hobbies, so to say. :p
Ah... nevermind me. :)
SlyFoxx on 25/7/2003 at 19:30
The Maw....TDP Platinum
Expert: 13:14
I think I could shave off 60-90 seconds but it would be way more dangerous. I liked the pace I kept. Moving fast but not too stupid.
:sly:
I guess a BANZAI run might be in order. Might need a lot of reloads.
I like stats too. I'ts fun to see just how fast things can be done. We have some mighty quick taffers 'round these here parts.
S_Hole on 25/7/2003 at 21:13
i'd love to see some demos of top records
the record quake video was unbelievable.. perfect coordination
ACT SMILEY on 25/7/2003 at 22:31
Just for a laugh, I tried to record a speed run on Baffords using Fraps, but the problem was that the whole system more or less ground to a halt at 640x480 - whenever I record, my framerate drops to around 10 from 160 and unfortunately Fraps doesn't seem to record properly at 400x300, which gave me a steady 15fps, which was about good enough to get decent times, and throws up errors when I try and play the video I recorded at that setting :S
