ercles on 14/6/2006 at 07:58
Um Ominous Cowl, apologies if this has already been addressed, but did you draw all of these zombie pictures that you are posting? And if so, why the different artistic style to your homoerotic comics in the fan art thread?
Jarkko Ranta on 14/6/2006 at 09:18
Well, that They Hunger really brought tears'o'joy to my eyes. Classy!
That music video kicked even U2's Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me and RHCP's Dani California! Not a bad merit, no. People should do more of these.
BTW: What was that ever-green played on the back. I really can't recall and it keeps haunting me.
A minute later: Best to put my googles on, guess its Paint It Black. Darn...
Ominous cowl on 14/6/2006 at 19:13
Quote Posted by ercles
Um Ominous Cowl, apologies if this has already been addressed, but did you draw all of these zombie pictures that you are posting?
You do not seem to be a regular visitor of the (
http://zombies.net.tc) Miraculous Graveyard, I suppose. All drawings originate from Divisor and myself.
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And if so, why the different artistic style to your homoerotic comics in the fan art thread?
(
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1393815#post1393815) Maybe a misunderstanding?
metal dawn on 14/6/2006 at 22:42
Quote Posted by Ominous cowl
Huh? They Hunger comes directly after Resident Evil 1 and Nocturne! However, I have to admit that I am somewhat stuck in the third installation of TH, most likely closely at the end of the trilogy. While They Hunger I was a gorgeous zombie-feast, the next two parts switched to some kind of "Frankenstein"-storyline. Right now, I am fighting against the zombiefied sheriff, which can eat more than 400 bulletts and yet will not fall down...
Doctor Franklin is the "Mad Scientist."
Chester Rockwood is the Sheriff.
The huge Frankenstein-type zombies are called Zorks, like the quest adventure game.
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The lab scenes seem more influenced by Reanimator than Frankenstein (I'm speaking more in the literary sense). The story of Frankenstein, according to one way I heard was inspired by a allegedly true story in the Castle of the family Frankenstein. The caretaker of the old castle was a crazed alchemist obssessed with finding the secrets of life and death. He is said to have preformed bizarre experiments in the underhalls of the castle, testing his work on bodies he stole from the family crypts. His madness was ended when he foolishly tried to ingest his latest work; a blue fluid he was certain would make immortal.
He didn't realize he had inadvertently concocted prussic acid. He was killed on the spot.
Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley, the daughter of a famous lady philosopher and wife of a successful poet, was immediately taken by the story. She started a work that eventually became
Frankenstein/The Modern Prometheus.
Frankenstein and Reanimator have fairly similar premises, but the the are noticeable differences. Admittedly, Lovecraft wrote it as a dark mirror-image of Frankenstein.
Both scientists, Victor Frankenstein and Herbert West, wish to find the secrets of life and death. However, the similarities almost immediately end there. Frankenstein wishes to conquer this secret, but a large part of this reason is because he wants to make a difference in the world and be noticed. When the monster escapes, he tries to contain and destroy it for the good of the living, despite the great suffering he himself must endure because of the monster. Herbert West is completely opposite. He is completely obsessed with the science itself and is determined to conquer the secret no matter what the damage or cost. When his experiments cause the deaths of people around he, he completely pushes remorse or consequence out of his mind. Several times, he confiscates the victims bodies to be recycling for the experiments. It does not matter to West who gets hurt, so long as success is guaranteed. At the end of Frankenstein, Victor dies, tired and exhausted. He knows though, that his death is the monster's undoing, for his suffering is the beast's only reason to exist. The monster acknowledges this upon learning to his "father's" death, and disappears never to be glimpsed again. Herbert West, in a manner of speaking, is both the creator of the monsters AND the monster himself. While Victor dies with relative redemption, West's end is violent and disturbing. As he is experimenting in tomb, a wall is torn open, the wretched forms of his victims advance, and he is torn apart; his remains carried back through the opening. Later, upon inspection, there is no evidence to suggest that the same wall was ever damaged and West's body is nowhere to be found. It is is almost as if he never existed all.
In Frankenstein, Victor never details how he brought his monster to life. This to prevent the horrors he has witnessed from being replicated.
The resurrecting "fluid" sustaining the heads and hand in the lab is very reminiscent of
Herbert West: Re-Animator. Several times in the story, Lovecraft explicitly mentions West working laboriously on (as well as utilizing) such a fluid.
The Classic so-called "Frankenstein" scenes with the strange machines and electricity (and "IT'S ALIIIIIIIVE!" of course) seem more like Reanimator the more I think about. Not that either man would shout the goofy line, I'm just pointing out which one might make more sense.
Neither man was "insane" either. West was dangerously obsessed and Victor was (essentially) curious but naive.
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About the Sheriff:
Are you making sure to hit Rockwood's craft when it's very close? The less distance you hit it from, the more damage you'll inflict.
The best thing to do is wait until Rockwood stops firing his chaingun, then unload your weapons on him as he turns his helicopter away.
It's helpful to remember that virtually ALL of your weapons inflict damage on his craft.
Some in Particular (off the top of my head):
-The Rotary Chaingun-- the best offensive weapon you have, but make sure you fire when Rockwood is close.
-The Shotgun
-The dynamite works well, but you have to make your shots count.
-The APTech-9
-The H&K G36 Assault Sniper--Make sure to fire carefully.
ercles on 15/6/2006 at 02:38
My bad
Jarkko Ranta on 15/6/2006 at 06:26
Have any of you guys read Richard Matheson's "I Am Legend". There's a classy horror/sci-fi (written in 1954) about world filled with vampires. Only one human standing, he really has some staking to do. Along the way he studies why garlic and sun effect vampires, but some things like running water has less or no effect on the undead. It still doesn't rationalize vampires
too much. By far the best horror book I've ever read.
"Have a drink, men, this one's really on me."
-Thought of Robert Neville, the last man on Earth
Ominous cowl on 15/6/2006 at 15:03
@Metal Dawn: I did not see Reanimator yet, but I linked the happenings in Doctor Franklin's labs to Frankenstein because of the reanimation of dead bodies. Thanks for the background of TH and Neil Manke's inspirations, though!
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The huge Frankenstein-type zombies are called Zorks, like the quest adventure game.
Yes, those and the skeletons did mark a turning point in the game. While I appreciated the scary horror-zombie action in the first part, I became a bit puzzled about these bizzare lab creatures which can be found in the next two installations of the trilogy.
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Mary Wollstonecraft Shelly, the daughter of a famous lady philosophe and wife of a succesful poet, was immediately taken by the story. She started a work that eventually became
Frankenstein/The Modern Prometheus.
I watched the movie adaptation,
Mary Shelly's Frankenstein ((
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109836/) IMDB), and enjoyed it. It is definitely worth a trip to the nearest video rental store!
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About the Sheriff:
Are you make sure to hit Rockwood's craft when it's very close? The less distance you hit it from, the more damage you'll inflict.
The best thing to do is wait until Rockword stops firing his chaingun, then unload your weapons on him as he turns his helicopter away.
It's helpful to remember that virtually ALL of your weapons inflict damage on his craft.
Well! You seem to have successfully completed the trilogy. :thumb: My
They Hunger does reside on a removable HDD; someday I will reinstall it and defeat the sheriff. Unfortuantely my studies eat up much of my free time..
@Jarkko Ranta: Sounds interesting, I will research a bit about it over at Amazon.
metal dawn on 16/6/2006 at 05:50
Quote Posted by Ominous cowl
@Metal Dawn: I did not see Reanimator yet, but I linked the happenings in Doctor Franklin's labs to Frankenstein because of the reanimation of dead bodies. Thanks for the background of TH and Neil Manke's inspirations, though!
I didn't mean the movie.
If you must watch the movies, read the original Re-Animator story, too.
If you haven't read Lovecraft, you won't regret getting into his work.
Here are some links:
(
http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/) Complete Works of Lovecraft
(
http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/reanimator.htm) Herbert West: Reanimator
Ominous cowl on 16/6/2006 at 22:31
Thank you for posting these links, Metal Dawn! I will dip into it once the current heap of study work has become more shallow. ;)