The World Didn't End...

AR Master on 27/5/2011 at 18:13

man what if like our universe was just like an atom in another universe and that universe was just an atom in like another universe man

37637598 on 27/5/2011 at 18:26

and what if you were inside that atom looking out and you saw a bunch of other tiny atoms and they could see you, or maybe they like couldn't or something

or what if you could like look outside of the universe and see god looking at you because he's always looking at you, and what if he like gave you a peace sign to let you know it's all good dude

Any and every theory of the existence of our soul beyond life is a stretch. I'm realistic, I live in reality. I don't dwell on that which we, nor they can or could have ever understood. I believe God exists in the eye of belief. It's kind of like that bum who's been living on the corner of Berkley and 32nd ave for years waiting for that bus to finally stop and take him home. It'll happen no matter if you believe or not, simply because he does. I'll never try to change the way someone thinks or disprove a religious belief, but I will express my own opinion because it's mine to share, and I'll never believe in something that I don't know until I learn and figure it out for myself. Maybe some day I'll take on religion, but something real would have to open my eyes. I'll never rely on the words or writings of a man because the very nature of man isn't even within our control.

Duncan on 27/5/2011 at 18:32

In the words of our Lord Keanu Reeves... "Whoa..."

Bobotsin on 27/5/2011 at 21:38

I noticed that too. Notably the next day when I woke up.

SubJeff on 27/5/2011 at 21:45

Quote Posted by AR Master

man what if like our universe was just like an atom in another universe and that universe was just an atom in like another universe man

This.

Xorak on 27/5/2011 at 22:08

This might seem strange, but I see religion as a thing purposely created to prevent the human ego from thinking and wanting itself to be a god (for example, which leads to ideas that we actually control this earth and its functions). To me, religion isn't a form of control--when used as it's meant to be used--it actually takes control from the powerful and manipulative and gives it back to the people.

It's a barrier to eternal subservience to human leaders. When this is taken away (and we as a mass of people have no ability to help ourselves,) the subservience to human leaders is restored and we allow ourselves to become dominated and wasted again, with no hope of restoring ourselves. Religion is freedom, and it's dangerous that by eliminating it, we eliminate freedom.

Tocky on 28/5/2011 at 03:25

Then how do you explain Jim Jones, David Koresh, Sun Myung Moon, Joseph Smith, Ron L. Hubbard, Elijah Muhammad, and looney ad infinitum? It seems to encourage worship of charismatic nuts.

If there were a god would it have created (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDQQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clarionledger.com%2Farticle%2F20110524%2FNEWS%2F105240323%2FHeinous-crime-still-haunts-community&ei=umTgTdaqL6TYiALi0syaBA&usg=AFQjCNFqj-umJD0_hr3P2AJwXzN_5Ot_kA) this thing masquerading as a human being? He and his fellow excrement Anthony Carr tied up this family coming home from church and raped and sodomized the 9 year old daughter in front of them. The father nearly tore his hands off trying to free himself and then they shot everyone except the daughter who they saved to burn to death in the housefire. I remember when this happened because it was on my route and I had a young daughter at the time.

Now, rather than take the punishment any decent person would who couldn't live with themselves after such horror, he (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCIQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta.clarionledger.com%2Farticle%2F20110524%2FNEWS%2F105240325%2F1002&ei=cGPgTfvLOKvOiAKOs9mUBg&usg=AFQjCNEs8_BGgRtNu4XoHMJWzokd1CX1rg) fakes banging his head against the floor to escape his fate. And women like Jessica Quinn and other deluded worshipers of evil give him succor. Any just god would strike the scum with a puss filled anal disorder thats only cure is the reaming of anus with a wire brush ten times a day.

Yes I know I'm sub human for venting my hatred so lets just skip my condemnation and go straight to my breakdown where I say fuck you do gooder defenders of human shitstains shall we?

Xorak on 28/5/2011 at 05:28

I explain those nuts because their power is from the people who follow them. The followers are the one's to blame for building those nuts into who they become. And yet it's always the followers who get away free while we condemn the leader. Why aren't the people who choose to be fooled ever held accountable? Everyone who believes L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones or Sun Myung Moon should be equally culpable in the offenses commited under the names of those men. And if it wasn't religion, it'd just be something else. Do you think America can invade Iraq if there's not a tacit desire to do it in the mindset of the population? Oh no, that's just George Bush's fault, let's blame him.

I'm not defending or coddling anybody. If a person makes the conscious choice to be an animal they should lose the right to be treated like a human. We (society) are to blame for the monsters we make. It may cut close to home, but the evil inside those killers wasn't created in a vacuum, but in bedrooms and kitchens and in other rooms in houses, watching how their parents and relatives and role models act and react. Why are we so stupid that we need God to interfere and make everything right like an umpire in a baseball melee? Why can't we accept responsibility for ourselves?

Tocky on 28/5/2011 at 07:27

Jim Jones and David Koresh followers paid. But you are right in that we give them the power. I think Iraq was a case of getting rid of a power mad person of that persuasion and thus a lot of the tacit support. Of course there turned out to be a lot of power mad in that region and it has gone through the sort of circumstance they produce faction wise. It may never end.

Also we have to understand that there is personal responsibilty which some will not accept and thus it is not all the fault of society. People aren't created in a vacum but they do choose. Simons mother seems a decent sort. He could have chosen like his siblings and been like her.

Suddenly I'm very tired.

demagogue on 29/5/2011 at 14:32

Interesting I was just reading Weber's book on "Sociology of Religious & Political Rulership" and it was talked about how historically the secular political authority was legitimized by the religious leadership, and in return they (the Church) pacified or domesticated the public and funneled religious passion through their organization ... And there's interesting reciprocal relationships & tensions between the two of course. (He went through how it played out in every major religion & a lot of historical periods, from ancient to his time).

But what was interesting here was how he described the tension between established Churches & self-proclaimed prophets. There's a charisma of office (seminary-taught priests & pastors; salvation by going to church & doing "church stuff") & a charisma of personality (Koresh-types; salvation by direct, ecstatic relationship to God; flee normal life). The "office" gets sanctioned by the Church, and the "personality" is either shunned as by-definition outside the Church (when it invents new doctrines, which it usually has to do to legitimate itself outside the "corrupt church"), or sometimes integrated as an alternative or "higher" path inside the Church itself to contain it (the monastic system, revivals, in our era maybe these discipleship groups when they get on the charismatic end, but still attached to a home church & domesticated.) I'd really be interested in seeing how these kinds of dynamics play out in American politics & churches.