User 205 on 1/1/2015 at 13:31

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I think I know the answer to question 3:

Constantine was planning to bring everlasting darkness to the world, so that he and his minions could crush their enemies (Hammers).

To say the truth, I wasn´t sure what his plan was when playing the game. I only found out because of Thief-the dark wiki. Apart from two cryptic letters in "Escape" there were not that much hints on his plan (expect the space rooms in some of the last levels)

Platinumoxicity on 1/1/2015 at 15:46

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Garrett probably fenced it to another collector who wasn't an ancient god in disguise. Eventually it ended up in the Wieldstrom museum. Or maybe the artifact simply escaped Garrett. It is capable of moving on its own, or teleporting. Before the Old Quarter cataclysm, the Eye was kept in the hammerite cathedral. The hammerites tried to seal it in the basement safe, but it kept reappearing above the altar. The hammerites moved it back again and again until the Eye had had enough and unleashed its power on the cathedral and the City.


It had the power to set the City on fire and raise the dead to slaughter the living. And it did that because the hammerites didn't want to let it have its nice view above the cathedral altar. The keepers sealed it in the cathedral to contain its destructive power, and at the time they didn't even know it's a keeper artifact because Gamall had been stealing or destroying all the texts related to the Final Glyph.



My impression was that the Trickster was not a very powerful "god". He was a very powerful being compared to the primitive forest-dwellers who originally deified and worshipped him for his power. When people developed technology, and were able to arm themselves properly, they broke free of the Trickster's grip, and the puny obsolete god went into hiding. He had access to the Maw of Chaos but couldn't bring its power of elemental chaotic nature back with him to the World. In hiding he studied magic and alchemy further and discovered that he could syphon power off of something much more powerful than he is. Which is the Eye. His Dark Project was to amplify his own power using the keeper glyph magic of the Eye, in order to merge the Maw with the World. To make the modern world just as chaotic, dark and dangerous as the wild forests were to the primitive people.

I think it's interesting that something considered "a god" wasn't actually powerful enough to protect himself from soldiers with iron hammers and armor, and he would have needed the powers of a keeper artifact to get an advantage over the modern world that left him behind ages ago. A much more interesting take on the idea of a deity than "all powerful immortal dude". Almost as cool as Shodan.

Petike the Taffer on 6/1/2015 at 01:30

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As far as The Eye is concerned, I think Garrett returned it to the Hammerites when he came back from the Maw of Chaos. They probably had some way to neutralise it and they eventually thought it had become harmless and donated it to the Wieldstrom Museum. Some of the more paranoid Hammerites might have protested this move as irresponsible and tried to perhaps sue the museum once the order regained its strenghth, but to no awail. Alternatively, the Order was in such disarray post-TDP, that some group of Hammerites who moved on to become Mechanists had the Eye in their custody and decided to take it over with them. Eventually, they came to the same conclusion and gave it as a gift to the museum, thinking the Eye is dead for good. Years later, once the Hag started her spree of murders and experiments around The City, the Eye slowly reawakened, until Garrett eventually stole it again and reunited with it one last time.



My own little theory/impression about the Trickster has always been that he's actually the last living Precursor mage/scholar and was originally human, but gained supernatural abilities before or during the fall of the Precursors and then played himself up to some of the survivors until he became a living deity of the Pagans. He's either a shapeshifter or he's cursed with his monstrous form and uses his Precursor magic to hide it. The whole "he was a human before and only gained his powers eventually" would explain why he seems like a rather weaker "god" at closer inspection of his powers and planning.

Kind of like with either of (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Yagrum_Bagarn) these (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Dagoth_Ur_%28god%29) two elven guys from Morrowind. ;) :D Well, my two cents...

downwinder on 8/1/2015 at 04:35

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1. the Eye. What actually happened to the real Eye artifact after thief 1? I remember that Garrett swapped the real Eye with a fake one in the last mission and thus preventing Constantine from finishing the Ritual, but what next? Did he shove it to the shelf in his apartment, what?,


thief 2 nor three never addressed it ,so it will be speculative ,but my guess would be since garretts eye was inside ,he took it back to the hammer that is when karras made the mech eye for garrett,as found out later in series,back when karras was a hammer,so i am sure part of it was used in that process.


2. Was the Eye really dangerous? It was first kept in a sealed cathedral, but why really?


the eye was a item used in a ritual ,by itself it was harmless,it was sealed in hammer church due to the importance of keeping it safe and protected.



3. Ok Constantine was crazy and mad in a way, although he knew what he was doing, it seemed. What was his objective really? To me that wasn't clear. Did he want to rule the world (power hungry)? What was the ritual for and what if he had finished it in the last mission?

if wooodsie lord would have completed the ritual he would have been even more powerful,like a god,as i got that feeling when garrett meet viktoria in thief 2 the she was about to take him out in anger for her loss=woodsie lord,so it was forsure something very importaint garrett stoped,but the rise of karras became a greater evil,hence karras only was able to use his final powers with organic life so viktoria had to work with garrett,but trust me she would have taken him out on sight if she could have,just listen to cut scene closely when garrett meets viktoria for there first time in thief 2,the tone in her voice was just like a ex i had :P,so in a sense some things in thief 2 were explained but in a subtle way ,the sadest part is we will never get a true thief 4 :( that is the most sad part of everything

downwinder on 8/1/2015 at 15:17

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then the part of thief 1 where garrett switches the eye,and the eye say jack squat and did nothing while the arrogant woodsie lord was prattling off the chant,i would say the eye is harmless by itself. as far as the hammer church sealing when garrett got the eye the first time i would say it being in holy ground is what made it be able to do that or the hammer had a spell on eye like a protection if someone tryed to steal it.

i think in part 3 of thief it showed the most importiant items ,jacknaws paw/hammer chalice/bloodstone/forgot what that did/etc