Squadarofl on 7/2/2019 at 13:56
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skacky on 7/2/2019 at 14:58
It's fairly... how should I put it diplomatically, disheartening to see people say the poll is either pointless or that the community is irrational with their choice (for a poll that isn't closed yet). Yandros and I thought it'd be a nice thing to give everyone the choice to weigh in on the rulesets, but if we're going to have reactions like this I think it's best to just disregard everyone's opinions at this point.
andyln on 7/2/2019 at 17:28
Trying to draw a nice comparison here - cars were invented over a century ago and they've certainly come a long way since. Does that mean we should want automated vehicles at a vintage car fair? That's how I personally envisage the "anniversary" contests - we come back to and celebrate the old shape of something that has since changed much. Precisely because modern cars are a norm nowadays.
I've no doubt at all that lifting the restriction would kill the classic vibe in majority of entries. Not to mention making the contest quite... ordinary?
To remain clear here - I'd love any contest if there are as many quality missions as this year. It's just the stock resources make much more sense to me for that occasion.
Marzec on 7/2/2019 at 18:10
Quote Posted by skacky
It's fairly... how should I put it diplomatically, disheartening to see people say the poll is either pointless or that the community is irrational with their choice (for a poll that isn't closed yet). Yandros and I thought it'd be a nice thing to give everyone the choice to weigh in on the rulesets, but if we're going to have reactions like this I think it's best to just disregard everyone's opinions at this point.
I think I might be one of the addressed ppl, in above post. I'm sorry if my comment resulted in such misunderstanding. Maybe I should rephrase myself. The idea about the poll itself was very good. What I was trying to say is the state of current poll results and its discussion. Since I approve both sides of the discussion and I read convincing arguments from each group, my emotions told me there is no point in arguing any longer. Aspecially when the solution to the problem is fairly easy and is close at hand. That's why you should expect Thief Guild hosted contest, probably at the same time.
The discussions at Thief Guild Team are ongoing, but I can already say we are planning to do that. Remaining questions are "when" and "how" and to know the answers I am keen to hear other ppl opinion.
Renault on 7/2/2019 at 18:13
Two contests at the same time is a really bad idea.
Judith on 7/2/2019 at 19:12
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Does that mean we should want automated vehicles at a vintage car fair?
Describing it as vintage car fair actually says a lot about it all. Although the biggest problem is that it's a vintage car fair because you want it to be, not because it has to be.
Or, if I were to stick to that analogy, the latest vintage car fair was full of quite rusty and unkempt cars, instead of nice, shiny, and refurbished ones. Why would one want to host such thing again?
Another contest might be an interesting idea, since there's clearly a large group that feels neglected in that regard.
JarlFrank on 7/2/2019 at 19:40
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Or, if I were to stick to that analogy, the latest vintage car fair was full of quite rusty and unkempt cars, instead of nice, shiny, and refurbished ones. Why would one want to host such thing again?
No, the latest vintage car fair had nice, shiny, polished cars in it, but lovingly kept intact rather than having parts replaced with newly manufactured ones. Just pure loving hobbyist craftsmanship that made the very best out of the original parts without the need to add anything extraneous, and created something amazing in the process.
The TG anniversary contest spawned some truly great missions (Sound of a Burrick in a Room, Catacombs of Knoss, Rose Garden, Heart and Soul, Shadow Play....) that have great visuals despite the limitation to stock resources (detailed architecture and creative use of stock textures), and great level design with open exploration and well laid-out areas.
If you don't enjoy missions like those, maybe Thief just isn't the kind of game you enjoy.
marbleman on 7/2/2019 at 19:53
Vintage or new cars, some drivers will just take them for a test drive and never touch them again. :D
DirkBogan on 7/2/2019 at 20:03
I think one only has to compare the TDP20AC submissions to Thief 1/Gold OMs to see that this recent contest was definitely
not guilty of an insular or backward design ethos, driven only by nostalgia. The original games are full of boxy geometry with poorly placed brushes. Some of the TDP20AC submissions were reminiscent of early FMs (
Dewinder Manor,
Wolfgang Handspiegel etc.), and many of the submissions were more beautiful, more elegant and well laid out that any OM from Thief Gold or The Metal Age.
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Or, if I were to stick to that analogy, the latest vintage car fair was full of quite rusty and unkempt cars, instead of nice, shiny, and refurbished ones.
Judith, as far as I am aware, you haven't played all of the submissions. That's perfectly fine, and nobody can tell you what you should enjoy or how you should spend your time. However, I think it's very unfair to claim that all of the submissions were 'rusty and unkempt' because you personally didn't enjoy the ones you played. If you haven't tried it, I would recommend
Shadow Play as a pure Thief experience that isn't limited by 'outdated' design, and also not overly big or intentionally confusing.
Judith on 7/2/2019 at 20:18
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If you don't enjoy missions like those, maybe Thief just isn't the kind of game you enjoy.
Not sure what made you think you can make such assumption. It's not up to you to decide that. I enjoy original Thief 1-3 gameplay, but none of the contest missions I played had that. So yeah, maybe in that regard the fresh coat of paint wouldn't change much. Still, stock resource only looks more like gatekeeping and catering only to selected creators, who already had their needs fulfilled in last contest.
