Psych0sis on 9/11/2020 at 22:57
While I appreciate the intentions of these types of channels, I really do think it would be a lot better and respectful to the authors to show off said missions as they intended - No texture pack mods. You have every right to use and play them, taste is subjective, but when trying to be a sort of "showcase" for FMs it should be from a neutral standpoint.
I'm sure the amount of effort it took to do all this is immense, so for that I am impressed and appreciate it, but I do hope you (and the other channels) could keep this in mind going forward. :(
greenhawk on 10/11/2020 at 06:26
Quote Posted by Psych0sis
While I appreciate the intentions of these types of channels, I really do think it would be a lot better and respectful to the authors to show off said missions as they intended - No texture pack mods. You have every right to use and play them, taste is subjective, but when trying to be a sort of "showcase" for FMs it should be from a neutral standpoint.
It's not showcase or something "official", it's just a preview (e.g. first 1-5 minutes of gameplay and then some "screenshots" from different locations), which helps pick up the mission to play. Even more, if someone decide to add all these links to some existing megathread - this thread may be consumed.
IMHO nothing wrong to use HDMOD in this case.
Renault on 10/11/2020 at 07:33
I have to agree with Psych0sis here. You've even got vids of several of the recent T2 contest missions, a contest that explicitly stated that only stock textures were to be used. Most of these missions look very different than what the authors intended, when using the HD mod.
zappenduster on 10/11/2020 at 10:39
Thanx Greenhawk, I embedded the preview videos in the corresponding threads of my FM campaigns. :)
marbleman on 10/11/2020 at 10:41
Definitely, a preview that ignores the mission's readme is inherently less valuable than the one that does. A number of the showcased missions contain explicit notes in the readmes stating that they should be played vanilla. There is nothing wrong with using the HDMOD only if the mission is meant to be played with it.
greenhawk on 10/11/2020 at 11:33
Quote Posted by Brethren
I have to agree with Psych0sis here. You've even got vids of several of the recent T2 contest missions, a contest that explicitly stated that only stock textures were to be used. Most of these missions look very different than what the authors intended, when using the HD mod.
Quote Posted by marbleman
Definitely, a preview that ignores the mission's readme is inherently less valuable than the one that does. A number of the showcased missions contain explicit notes in the readmes stating that they should be played vanilla. There is nothing wrong with using the HDMOD only if the mission is meant to be played with it.
I'll think about it
Psych0sis on 10/11/2020 at 23:51
Greenhawk, what you've described is literally a showcase. You went out of your way to even document every video you've recorded and number them, like a showcase/display would. There's even download links, mission descriptions, tips on how to run it/what is included inside the zip files, and mission thread/loot list links all contained within every video. And now you've made a thread and subsequently had no qualms with it potentially being a sticky/links added to current FM lists (when brought up), which would ultimately have it be seen as "official" to anyone who would stumble upon this.
If your intention is to "help people pick up the mission to play" and you create a showcase like this one, you really ought to do it as closely to the author's intention as possible if you want to be respectful. As it is now, it's like if you were hosting an art gallery(showcase) but changed all the colors in the paintings to ones you preferred. I can tell you as it is now that there are quite a few authors not pleased with how their missions are displayed(showcased) here and on other similar channels. All I'm asking is to keep this in mind.
greenhawk on 11/11/2020 at 16:45
Quote Posted by Psych0sis
Greenhawk, what you've described is literally a showcase. You went out of your way to even document every video you've recorded and number them, like a showcase/display would. There's even download links, mission descriptions, tips on how to run it/what is included inside the zip files, and mission thread/loot list links all contained within every video. And now you've made a thread and subsequently had no qualms with it potentially being a sticky/links added to current FM lists (when brought up), which would ultimately have it be seen as "official" to anyone who would stumble upon this.
It sounds like some conspiracy theory :-) My simple mind cannot calculate such complicated moves :-)
Quote Posted by Psych0sis
If your intention is to "help people pick up the mission to play" and you create a
showcase like this one, you really ought to do it as closely to the author's intention as possible if you want to be respectful. As it is now, it's like if you were hosting an art gallery(showcase) but changed all the colors in the paintings to ones you preferred. I can tell you as it is now that there are quite a few authors not pleased with how their missions are displayed(showcased) here and on other similar channels. All I'm asking is to keep this in mind.
I think if I add a note about HDMOD it will solve the problem. Wouldn't it ?
trefoilknot on 11/11/2020 at 17:13
Quote Posted by greenhawk
I think if I add a note about HDMOD it will solve the problem. [Wouldn't] it?
I think that would make a good bit of difference, but I'm sure some authors will continue to be upset. Here's a boiler plate that you could add to all of the video descriptions:
[QUOTE=]
Note that this video was made with the following mods: HDMOD (plus anything else you're using). The video may therefore not accurately reflect the mission, as originally intended by the author.
Ultimately, my view is that authors must recognize that their work may not be enjoyed as intended, once made publicly available. Mods represent one potential departure from an author's intentions, but so do divergent gameplay choices. For example, if someone makes a mission designed to facilitate tense ghosting, and someone uploads a rambo-esque play through, that would also misrepresent the intent of the mission. Ditto if a player finds engine exploits to avoid puzzle-solving in a puzzler. It's not obvious to me why the use of HDMOD is substantively different from these examples. (But yes, I think a disclosure in the video descriptions would be a nice gesture.)
