Vorn on 21/5/2012 at 18:56
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
I did think it through. That's not common practice
at all when the time difference is that large. Try thinking through why that might be.
Why don't you stop dicking around and tell us what you think...that is, if you have something relevant to say.
Fafhrd on 21/5/2012 at 21:11
Okay, since you're obviously too retarded to figure it out yourself: Paul Weir has other commitments in the UK, which is why he was unable to relocate to Montreal to be on-site. Shifting his work schedule to five hours later while staying in the UK puts him completely out of step with family/friends/lectures/other projects that his company (
http://earcom.net/index.html) Earcom may be working on.
Imagine needing to be in your office, or at the very least on-call, from 2pm to 11pm before the project is even in crunch, and then figure out how you have any semblance of a life outside of work with that schedule. And then expand that to when the project is in crunch and you need to be available from 2pm-4am.
This is untenable and, frankly, insane to maintain in the long term.
This is why nobody in the industry actually does this to outside contractors, and why you're an idiot.
Tannar on 21/5/2012 at 22:15
OK, it's time to tone down the insults. It's a good discussion but lets keep it respectful.
Vorn on 22/5/2012 at 01:02
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
Okay, since you're obviously too retarded to figure it out yourself
The problem (other than your brutish demeanor), is that your assertion is based on an unfounded, narrow-minded conception...Sadly, you believe your slant on this is actually the only real possibility without any supporting evidence of Earcom's/EM's particular circumstances.
You're going to have to provide evidence to substantiate your claims, otherwise your just blowing a lot of hot, obnoxious air...
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Paul Weir has other commitments in the UK, which is why he was unable to relocate to Montreal to be on-site.
You must realize that having other commitments doesn't necessarily preclude one from relocating.
1) Do you have proof that Paul was unable to move to Montreal rather than it being a choice? Quote:
Shifting his work schedule to five hours later while staying in the UK puts him completely out of step with family/friends/lectures/other projects that his company (
http://earcom.net/index.html) Earcom may be working on.
Again, you're just assuming without any facts based in evidence. Many composers/musicians/sound designers work late schedules, and have adapted their lives accordingly...So, we'll need some evidence showing that this would be a problem for Paul, otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.
2) Do you have proof that the time difference between London and Montreal created an untenable hardship on Paul's personal life?Quote:
Imagine needing to be in your office, or at the very least on-call, from 2pm to 11pm before the project is even in crunch, and then figure out how you have any semblance of a life outside of work with that schedule. And then expand that to when the project is in crunch and you need to be available from 2pm-4am.
This is untenable and, frankly, insane to maintain in the long term.
Here again you assume Paul hasn't adapted his life to a later schedule, and also that possibly needed local support isn't available. Although crunch time can feel like you have no life regardless of where you live, it is fortunately a temporary situation, and one, if need be, assisted by local support...either via company partner/employee or external associate.
3) Do you have proof that Paul was unable to manage the project due to the time difference between London and Montreal?Quote:
This is why nobody in the industry actually does this to outside contractors, and why you're an idiot.
That's quite a gap in logic there. Let's see...
Fafhrd's baseless assumptions = Vorn is an idiot...:laff:
When you use a word like "idiot", you need to have a rational basis in order for it to have any impact...Otherwise, just saying "idiot" makes you one.
Quote Posted by Tannar
OK, it's time to tone down the insults. It's a good discussion but lets keep it respectful.
No problem Tanner...
I toned it down...:)
Fafhrd on 22/5/2012 at 01:51
Oh silly me, assuming that since Paul's company is located in London, and works on multiple projects at the same time, and that he lectures on game audio design primarily at universities in the UK ((
http://www.earcom.net/thoughts/?page_id=2) source), that he maybe has stuff that precludes him relocating to other countries on a full-time basis (not to mention that whole 'obtaining a work visa (which are notoriously hard to get for the games industry in Montreal), finding a place to live, uprooting your family,' thing). It's called an educated guess, dipshit. Nobody with a functioning brain needs a signed affidavit to draw these conclusions, which are decidedly more reasonable than 'PAUL WEIR THOUGHT THE GAME WAS GOING TO SHIT SO HE QUIT! IT'S THE ONLY LOGICAL REASON.'
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That's quite a gap in logic there.
Not at all, since I've been working in the industry for the past six years and learned a thing or three about how outside contracting works.
Pyrian on 22/5/2012 at 16:28
Quote Posted by Vorn
Do you have proof...
Do you have proof...
Do you have proof...Do
you? You've made some pretty wild assertions on this subject. I work for a global company as part of a global development project unit, and I don't know
anybody who routinely works through "family dinner" hours for time-zone convenience. (And it's tough getting the Japanese just for an occasional meeting!) I know some people who get up a couple hours
early, (heck, I do) but it's not the same.
Actually,
everybody I know who works particularly off hours do so for entirely local business needs (shipping, security, or entertainment), and by-and-large
they're not well paid.
hopper on 23/5/2012 at 13:55
Vorn, it's quite clear that you have no idea how collaborative projects between teams in different time zones really work. You're talking out of your ass here, to people who have relevant hands-on experience, at that. Learn some humility, and don't question other people's logical abilities when all you have are baseless assumptions.
