Thief (4) Features. What we know is in, what we know is out.

Nuth on 2/5/2013 at 22:27

It could still be believable, assuming they don't decide to set Thief on Earth. I mean, how hot does fire have to burn in a fantasy world?

Dia on 2/5/2013 at 22:29

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I can't believe they are doing this.

I demand to know the chemical formula for the gas in the gas mines. Email me the specifications of all bladed weapons in the game, including alloy composition, balance mechanics, all stress calculations, method of production etc. DO NOT forget to supply explicit details about the tempering processes plz mmmhhm k?

(Yes; I know ... 'sarcasm'.) But I really do want to know more about these 'tools' that NuGarrett is going to use to put out torches instead of water arrows (if they aren't referring to dry ice arrows, of course). They distinctly said 'tools', and the only tools one could use, that I can think of, would be a fire extinguisher (besides a bucket of water, naturally), or dirt/sand, or a blanket.

Nuth on 2/5/2013 at 22:42

The problem isn't so much whether this or that will do this or that. The problem is that they've stripped out a functional system that is actually the underpinning of the Thief world. That's a huge change, IMHO.

Vae on 2/5/2013 at 22:45

Yes, that's exactly right, Nuth...as this metaphysical system is integral to the treasured lore.

What a dreaded mistake...:nono:

Nuth on 2/5/2013 at 22:49

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Yes, that's exactly right, Nuth...as this metaphysical system is integral to the treasured lore.

It's like we're going to reboot Pride and Prejudice and while we're at it, we're going to change the laws of physics.:p

Vae on 2/5/2013 at 22:53

They had the golden goose right before them...How can they be so foolish to pass up such an opportunity?

...Then again, they passed on Stephen Russell, as well...:tsktsk:

Nuth on 2/5/2013 at 22:56

I admit to being baffled by it. I keep coming back to the only explanation that makes any sense to me: They are clueless.

Vae on 2/5/2013 at 23:05

Yes, indeed...and add forced 3rd-person switching in the abominable mix, just to make things feel really special.

Dia on 2/5/2013 at 23:16

Quote Posted by Nuth

I admit to being baffled by it. I keep coming back to the only explanation that makes any sense to me: They are clueless.

I thought that too, at first. But watching the video ((http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi6OLeYs8fw)), Stephane Roy admits (at the 3:32 mark) that they're NOT making T4 'just just just' for the Thief fans (because he claims that would be 'dangerous', which I still haven't a clue what he meant by that?). It's already pretty much a given that they're gearing T4 to the mindless majority who enjoy fast-action sequences (auto-parkouring & speed runs through the City), who want lots of hand-holding (as in auto-take-down scenes where you're not allowed to do your own takedowns), who love main characters whom they think look like bad-assed ninja dudes, and those who like the auto-switching from 1st to 3rd person because they like being able to see how kewl their character looks while climbing. No; EM is not making T4 for anyone but the mass market of gamers who like the above-mentioned crap. Like they keep saying, they're 'reinventing' Thief, not making a sequel.

:(

SubJeff on 2/5/2013 at 23:19

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pick something that would actually work? Something like, I dunno, WATER. Like I said, doesn't matter if the games still good, but if its an attempt to make the tech more plausible, it's a stupid one.

Your assumption that water on the end of an arrow would be able to put out a torch is just further reflection of your lack of critical thinking.

Neither solution is scientifically feasible even if you make the elemental leap - the amount of water you'd need to generate with the elemental crystal would be so vast that it's use as a stealth item would be completely undone.