jtr7 on 4/4/2013 at 07:30

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Yeah, Garrett isn't that important if you take all the things he was the nexus of away. There's a Thieves Guild. Make a game about one of them, oblivious to the Keepers, almost oblivious to the reluctant heroics and doomsday stuff, disinterested in the magic, avoiding Hammerites and pagans altogether for very different reasons.

jtr7 on 4/4/2013 at 07:32

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Yeah, Keeper of what? It's over. Unless the reboot doesn't care about even more.

Kurgan on 4/4/2013 at 07:35

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That's horse$hit. We all wanted a new Thief game. We all wanted it to be fantastic and worthy of the name. Absolutely nobody here wanted to have anything to bitch about. So the fact that people are voicing their frustration over unnecessary changes is something worth taking very seriously and not dismissing as mindless whining over nothing. EM have made the less-than-uncommon mistake of forgetting that they're game designers and not businessmen. They've made choices, and justifications for those choices, while completely forgetting the fundamental principle of sales, which is "if you want to sell something, give the customer what they want, especially if you've had years of them asking for it in excruciating detail."

Simply put, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and they talked themselves into trying to fix it anyway (not just the voice; the daylight and fog, the obligatory mask that makes Garrett look like he was yanked out of Assassin's Creed, etc). The consequences of that choice are to be expected. We've spent the last decade begging them for a cheeseburger and they finally said, "Sure! Here's a slice of pizza! It's what you wanted, right? I mean, it's good, right? ...Why are you staring at me that way?" Not exactly rocket science.

Will some people take the complaining too far? Sure. Doesn't mean they're wrong, though, just that they're gamers and skipped their elocution lessons to play CoD (or whatever floats their digital boats).

Now, to put another spin on it, ask yourself this. If they didn't call it Thief, or connect it to the series in any overt way, what would you think of the game then? I think it would sell like hotcakes (see Dishonored for proof). So why then did they call this Thief? Because they wanted to make money and appease the existing market base, of course. Which, naturally, makes the alterations absolutely baffling from a marketing standpoint. Like I said, designers who forgot they weren't businessmen. Oops.

The game very likely won't be bad at all, it simply isn't what it was advertised to be: a modernization of the Thief we know and love, it's a Thief-like game using the same names and dressing. There's a Bryan Singer joke in there somewhere.

(And harking back to an earlier post, who said the Tomb Raider reboot wasn't doing well? Everyone I know, online and off, is willing to sell their own mother to get a copy, and those that have it love it to pieces. I've seen nothing but stellar reviews and positive feedback, soaked in copious amounts of drool. Hell, even I want a copy, and I didn't like the original Tomb Raider series.)

jtr7 on 4/4/2013 at 07:41

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I'm sick of heroes being given supernatural abilities while the creators claim they are not superheroes. I'm fine with supernatural or super-tech'd-out characters, as long as the creators don't keep breaking their own rules to get the character out of situations.

antihero276 on 4/4/2013 at 07:45

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Exactly, I would have been annoyed not to be playing Garrett again, but it would have still explained a lot to keep him as an important character, your mentor. Most importantly though, I really did want to be Garrett again, and get a new trilogy going, another story arc for such an amazing character, no differently then Master Chief from Halo is getting... hell in that case they're using mocap... and keeping the old voice! Good god... and no, the excuse of him wearing a helmet doesn't work when it comes to the lip syncing with the voice, because the guy's wearing a mask in Thief 4! That said, they're pretty picky about what nostalgia they want and what they want to discard like trash... I never expected the voice that makes Garrett tick would be ending up in the discarded pile. It makes no bloody sense to see them so optimistic and happily preaching how great their new voice will be, when we know better! I'm pretty annoyed... I played their new Deus Ex recently, a prequel, and it was bloody great, worthy of being a prequel to Deus Ex... I wanted them to work the same magic into the Thief series, but in sequel form as opposed to Prequel, and instead we get an uncreative reboot that throws what made Thief great out the goddamn window without a second thought... i keep trying to fathom it, but I simply cannot.



I wouldn't go that far man, considering Garrett is essentially the balancing agent of the entire Thief series... it doesnt get much more important then that... but I understand what you are getting at in regards to other Thieves they could have explored.



I agree, and frankly that key Glyph burned in the back of Garretts hand should be a major plot point... perhaps one day Keepers will become necessary again, the Balance will need to be preserved... at which point the One True Keeper, despite his reluctance, has sort of started to understand that as he grew older and saw everything that he had... and will begin a new Order of Balance under his rule. Seriously, I could come up with ideas all day long and just keep pitching them, anyone else have some good alternate thief 4 ideas?



D'Asterous... :cheeky: