prjames on 28/5/2012 at 04:35

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I've also progressed some.

I've found the ruby and my buddy who was chasing his imaginary castle. Only objective remaining is to find the helmet of Justice.

I got a key in the room where I found my buddy and it doesn't open any of: The door to the castle (I assume that was the entrance outside guarded by 2 guards with a female follower), and all the doors I mentioned earlier - the door to the bath opposite the room shown in the menu screen, the door to the staircase going up just before the rats area, and the door to Eljiana's. The recess behind the library room is still closed (also in the same hallway leading to the baths and rat area).

Help! I want to get the helmet - what do I do next?

- prjames

JonesCrusher on 28/5/2012 at 14:15

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Yay!...I finished!

I am glad that I stuck at it,its a really interesting mission and hope to play more from you,I liked the surreal feel to it and the art work used etc...and also,as well as frustrating you really have to think with this one,its not the usual,logical,fm...I liked the ambient seaside sounds too,the new and unexpected AI,the general colourfulness of it,like being in fairyland sometimes,overall a good experience,apart from a few bugs....which could have been ironed out.

However,I did not like some of the terrain,

bushes getting in my way in the tunnels,and bits of rock everywhere ,snagging Garretts legs and making it hard for the poor sap to move around:cheeky:

a Staircase too narrow and hard to climb, is very slow and tedious.a gap in the metal grating just before the entrance to the helmet room got me trapped there many times,and had to reload.

A switch perhaps too far away from a place that it opens,and if you cant see what it does when you flick it,AND dont know its timed too,then it gets frustrating..

perhaps not quite enough health potion and arrows,although I did finish it with one health bar left,....its a hard terrain,and dieing is frequent,when climbing high not necessarily the authors fault but just the general wankyness of the T3 engine and always Garretts poor choice in movements,ie moving slightly to the right or left when you turn in another direction,lol,it all helps to frustrate the player.

Now I must go and apologise to garret for all the profanities I called him throughout this mission,I think he may have an inferiority complex starting :D


the only thing I did not get was the valuable Hammer mentioned in the Zombies basement area...I did get down there both from the left hand passage and small staircase when you first enter the castle,and from the huge dilapidated staircase with chains everywhere,to the right. in the same room as the fat-guard.....also was there anything to do or get in the room with the wayward chandelier/light fitting...I also didnt get into the two arch doors in the chapel...maybe I have missed a chunk of this fm somehowhint welcome so I can get it.


Thanks for the mission!
Rock on your next one:cool:

JonesCrusher on 28/5/2012 at 14:27

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I didnt get into the glass door with the weird staircases,maybe its just for effect...I also never got through the two arched doors in the chapel near the beginning
The door to the bath with the soaps I did get open but it opened after I floored the giant and got a couple of keys in that area...Troll ?skeleton?I seem to remember that there is an unopenable door next to one that does open in the troll areajust before the chair-man...there is a skeleton behind it and I am sure when I frobbed around the door the key sound came up,the bathroom with soaps didnt contain much but I cant remember,so could be wrong....in the rat area,there is a health fountain above the rats did you get the key from the box/chest/ near it?and some loot(Bell) on the top of the castle-ated highest part....for the helmet yes you need to get in the big guarded gates in front of the castle...maybe a guard has the key...check the ones you have killed if you are a murderer like me :) the keys could be under the bodies

prjames on 28/5/2012 at 15:00

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I enjoyed the wild architecture and some of the bizarre fantasy elements (paintings, lighting, some of the areas like the maze of cards, giant rats, etc.) I also liked the traditional Thief gameplay (e.g. BJing the guards).

Anyway, I found the key where one of the guards dropped it when I blackjacked him and entered the castle. Thanks! (I also found a key where the giant drunk zombie dropped it back in the hallway before the rat area but it hasn't opened anything - yet.)

- prjames

P.S. OK, I'll be honest: Things I didn't like about the mission: Well-hidden keys (for example, the key in the garden near the entrance that opens the 2nd door in the wizards house - near the start of the mission), hidden doors/entrances (for example, the switch/gate in the same garden that opens the maze of the giant cards) and difficult/unnecessary jumping puzzles (for example, the top of the stairs leading down to your buddy where you must jump to the staircase or jump to the hallway leading out, also the jumping necessary to get to the helmet room in the castle - I was stuck a couple times between the metal bar just before the helmet room and the helmet room, also, not knowing until you try it that you can mantle up to the ramp that leads to the balcony that goes to the narrow ledge leading to a tower that I've assumed (?) is the East tower). The other thing I had problems with was the areas of complete darkness, for example, at the bottom of the stairs leading to your buddy, I at first didn't notice the door leading past the undead to my buddy (e.g. the catacombs). Another example is the darkness at the back of a priest's area in the hallway between the entrance area and the town square, where a Holy Water is.

I've now got the helmet and the garden key and I'm back near the beginning trying to find the garden.

Update: I still can't find the garden opened by the garden key despite Jonescrusher's hint - maybe a screenshot, please?

IronEagle on 28/5/2012 at 17:47

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ok at last is be appreciate this map ? Good , i finished it in ghost mode .