faetal on 15/4/2013 at 11:41

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I don't like that particular mechanism. I find it slightly immersion-breaking. I know there is very little in the way of argument for button-take-downs versus riot prod to the neck (using Deus Ex as an example) being THAT different, but it does subtly remind you that you're controlling the guy who can do take-downs versus you ARE the guy doing to take-downs.

I know you can de-construct that to the point where you can argue that because it's J.C. doing the actually arm movement, it's not you anyway, but I still think that broadening the gap between player and action is not a good thing.

Renzatic on 15/4/2013 at 11:59

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Thirded. While I'll say that they probably come anywhere close to ruining the game completely, the 3rd person animated takedowns do take you out of the moment. Thief's strengths are built so much around feeling like you're there, that any interruptions to that risk hurting the game.

As long as they're kept to a minimum, I can live with them. I won't particularly love them, but as long as the rest of the game is good, I'll stomach the occasional weird hiccup.

faetal on 15/4/2013 at 13:26

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I think a lot of gameplay streamlining is born out of developers being concerned that they need something which NO ONE finds AT ALL difficult to grasp, but I also get the impression that at some stage, they're going to realise that if the game is good enough in terms of its design, story, feel etc.. people will have plenty of motivation to learn how to master mechanisms which aren't normalized through being taken completely out of your hands.

I'd hope that particular pendulum sees a back-swing in the not too distant future. The fact that many newer games are giving options to reduce HUD assistance and 1999 modes etc, not matter how shaky the current implementation is, does hint that devs are aware that there's a strong desire for a lot of people to tone down the hand-holding.

Tomi on 15/4/2013 at 13:39

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Wow, I've never seen most of those in action. I guess I sucked at disarms in Mirror's Edge.

I'd love to see something like that in Thief 4.

sNeaksieGarrett on 17/4/2013 at 15:24

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Ditto!

Good point faetal, but I think Tomi's point was that he'd like to see first person takedowns. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) At least, that's what I'd like to see, if we must have them in the game at all.



Yes, that's what I read too. Dry ice is just another way of saying water arrow, because, as far as I can tell, they're still basically the same thing. You shoot a torch and it extinguishes it. If anything it's how the appearance and the impact of the arrow looks that will be different.



I think you guys are mean. That said, I understand ya'lls frustration with the other thief fans. I tried to be optimistic about THIEF, and some people in these forums think we're just being "apologists" or something. I'll be ready to shit on this game when if the times comes. Until then, I see no reason to completely hate this game.