Thief Reloaded Contest Entry:The Deadly Triangle,T2 fm:2/5/2011

darthsLair on 5/2/2011 at 20:37

Please post all of your questions here. You will notice the objective screen is quite full. The only objective that may not be visible is "Retun to your Home Turf" when you have completed all of the goals. The map is maxed out with brushes and objects, but functions well. All of the Objectives are easy, and they are frequent to help guide you. Think about how you would react if you were really Garrett in a real life situation. If you play this game with that attitude, you wont have any difficulty dealing with your ally friends:" The Hammerites" May the Builder be with you !"
Get it here: This is a Revised Edition:5/6/2011 to fix the death bug of the HamSword.
(http://thiefmissions.com/info.cgi?m=DeadlyTriangle) http://thiefmissions.com/info.cgi?m=DeadlyTriangle

Runs fine with TafferPatcher and the enhancement pack. No problems discovered. Get the Enhancement Pack Here: (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://darkfate.ru/%3Fshow%3Dfiles/editors/dromed/enhancement_pack&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddarkfate%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DGw6%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgaTLYu_djHb2f-oYCbBN4N7KJhog) http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://darkfate.ru/%3Fshow%3Dfiles/editors/dromed/enhancement_pack&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddarkfate%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DGw6%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgaTLYu_djHb2f-oYCbBN4N7KJhog If you have trouble with it loading, then disable the Enhancement pack by renaming the EP.Crf found in your Thief 2 directory.

Edit: This Final Revision was tested by local Lan Group, and was found to be bug free. Good on Windows xp, home, pro, with all service packs. Windows Vista, and Windows7. Finally !

Other features added in the Revised edtion: The Holy Sword of St.Markus now returns to the Sacred Keeper, the door shuts, no longer a key. Added a new sky with a Full Moon. Added Custom ambient in Cemetery Composed by ShadowSneaker. Increase the Abient Volume of 3 conversations. Added an AiWatchObj link. Added a new scroll in the High Priests Office to indicate where to place Artifacts. Added two new Conversations with Gore_Torn playing a Thief.
The four books of evidence dont have to be read now to complete this goal. I didn't want to impose on the sucessful ending of the mission for failure or lack of interest in reading, and for a revisit, once the Story is known, no reason to read all of them again. Fixed several buggy conversations already existing. Fixed a couple room brushes, and aligned a few more textures.
In the Final Revision Only.

Reading all of the Books of evidence not necessary. in Particular :The DeNavan's Scroll must be read when you find him under the falls. All of the 4 secret scrolls must be read but are optional so the mission will still complete. Your stats will show completed secrets 4 of 4 even if you dont read them.

Suggestion: Play in the order of Objectives to fully understand the Story. Not necessary to complete mission, but advised for beginning to understand the Story better. Not necessary at all if you dont want to follow the story as it unravels. It is good to wait and Visit Mr.Webster after you have obtained the Sword of St.Markus, so you have an option to help your Ally "Amilion", and he can help you destroy the Enemy, However I suggest as you enter the Cemetery to frob the "cemetery key" off of Amilion's belt right off, otherwise you will have to wait for him to relax for a few minutes after the fighting has finished, and at the same time do it un-noticed.

A Challenge for the Warrior Garrett:See if you can Save The Hammerite Soldier "Amilion" from being Killed by Mr.Webster. Just wait until you have the Sword of St.Markus before you Visit the Cemetery. He will then aid you as an Ally in defeating the Evil. Unfortunately, there is no way for him to escape the Cemetery. An Important note: Frob the Cemetery key off his belt as you just enter the Cemetery, or after the Kill, just wait a few minutes for Amilion to Relax after the fight, staying unnoticed, you can then frob the key from his belt, and leave the Cemetery.

Voice Actors: Yandros: The Bar Keep
Antimatter_16 Bar Customer
Yandros: The High Priest
Edudrekib: The High Priest Overseer-Recording
BrokenArts: The two ladies near Mausoleum
Uncadonego:Commissioner, and Mr. Webster
Rufus: The two ladies at Ramirez Mansion
Rod: Mr.Webster's Thug Riley
Rod: Otto
Rod: Ramirez' Assasin
Procession: Ed and Ray at the main
gate.
Gore_Torn, Josh
Rod: Murus

Palette count reduced to 218, so the Enhancement Pack should work fine. If not then follow instructions below.

If it does'nt work with the EP : Follow Haplo's Instructions the 9th post below, or just rename the EP.crf in your T2 directory, and restore it's original name and extention after you are through. Example: EP.Yey, should disable it, or as Haplo suggested EP.crf1

A HINT for Pub Loot:After the Conversation is over the Bar Keep will walk out of the Pub and stand waiting for 50 seconds. This gives you an opportunity to slip behind the bar to grab loot. He comes back and repeats it again to give you a second chance.

If Objectives are'nt ticking off. If you are using Windows Vista, it is recommended to use Darkloader v4.3
In the beginning just wait for the Conversation to end and Look in the drain.

A note about game play techniques

This game was designed to use stealth, because you are a thief. You are a Wanted Murderer who has escaped from custody. The Hammerites are your allies, but remember that they are here to enforce their laws upon you. Get out of line, and they will react. Dont show your weapons to the Hammerites, because they could take it as a threat to them. Dont alert bystanders, as they are all hyped about the local murders, and if they see you, they may alert guards including the patrolling Hammerites. Dont leave bodies lying around, and try not to run anywhere away from guards who are chasing you. Stay in the shadows, and stay quiet. I have run through this game 3-4 dozen times, and never alerted any guards to my presence. Use your moss arrows in vents, and other places where you have to jump.

As I posted in the begining of this thread :"Think about how you would react if you were really Garrett in a real life situation. If you play this game with that attitude, you wont have any difficulty dealing with your ally friends."

Make saved games after each new objective using the save slots available. Once an Objective has been completed sucessfuly , you can fill that slot in with another new objective. If I mess up in game, or if there is an unexpected bug, I can easily go back without losing a whole of time.
Frequent Saves !

Spoiler Info if you are having trouble with :Destroying Mr.Webster:

Do not read: this is the spoiler for the above:I have provided 2 invisible potions located in the Hammerite Guard Quarters, 1 in DeNavans house .In the Foot locker adjacent to the door. There is plenty of health located through out the mission, including 2 in one of the secret areas. Try to save at least one of the Potions for Mr.Webster's Skeleton. You can also use your water arrows to douse all of the torches in the Cemetary, and sneak up on your target. You will have to strike the Werewolf at least 21 times to defeat him with the Silver Sword, and the Skeleton the at least 16 . Spoiler video:(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94wE6X1zC7c) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94wE6X1zC7c

At a request, I made Webster's Skeleton easier to destroy.

Like all games, a Mastering technique is required. Dont expect to master the kill in one game, and please dont get discouraged. Use a plan, and of course the powerups I have provided. There are plenty of Health powerups throughout the mission. Since when is Evil Easy to Destroy ? Good Luck !
Death Bug Repaired.
One bug discovered: accidental death bug:It wont happen often, but I thought it should be posted, so you would know it not your fault and you did nothing wrong. Sometimes the Guards or Bystanders will become frightened, or just go off their patrol slightly and fall into the water, or will died mysteriously. When this happens the mission will fail. Go back to an earlier save and reload. It should resolve it. If not, then exit the game from DarkLoader, startup again, go back to your earilier save. Should be okay. Sorry for this, as I had to use hard Qvar Traps to insure the Hammerite failure of attacking an Ally. Bug Repaired use link above or get:deadlytriangle_FinalA.zip here:
(http://thiefmissions.com/info.cgi?m=DeadlyTriangle) http://thiefmissions.com/info.cgi?m=DeadlyTriangle

Here is a fix for that should you have it: 5/5/2011 an update has been made and it is available here. If you have problem with megaupload and cant get the file, pm me and I will get it to you.
(http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G9UO4UEI) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G9UO4UEI or here:

(http://thiefmissions.com/info.cgi?m=DeadlyTriangle) http://thiefmissions.com/info.cgi?m=DeadlyTriangle

bedwine on 5/2/2011 at 21:32

I get a Darkloader Crash when starting the game. Is anyone else having this problem?

<Username> on 5/2/2011 at 21:34

Mechs Delight reported a crash in the general Thief Reloaded Contest thread. He was able to solve the problem by deinstalling the Thief Enhancement Pack.

Xorak on 6/2/2011 at 07:34

I'm kind of stuck in this.
I'm basically done everything killed the end guy and all that, found all the loot and the secrets.
However, I can't find the Rameriz ledger book. Though I have found the Black Book Evidence, however it as no effect on my objectives.

I really liked the look and feel of the city in this one with the updated graphics and new areas. Though honestly, I don't even remember the original at all. It felt to me like playing a completely new level built from scratch. My only gripe is that it was possible to get the three artifacts even before going to the cathedral and learning that you were supposed to find them.

Tannar on 6/2/2011 at 08:03

Regarding Ramirez's ledger (black book), you have to read all the ledgers in order for that objective to complete.

Melan on 6/2/2011 at 09:10

I get a freeze every time I get to the end of the ventilation tunnel at the beginning of the level and turn left. No enhancement pack installed, and other Thief FMs work without problems on that laptop. :(

nickie on 6/2/2011 at 09:56

Am I supposed to be able to get down that ladder near the beginning. I'm sure I haven't put any weight on lately but I seem to be too fat.

Ah! I've lost weight overnight! :)

Procession on 6/2/2011 at 10:50

Quote Posted by <Username>

Mechs Delight reported a crash in the general Thief Reloaded Contest thread. He was able to solve the problem by deinstalling the Thief Enhancement Pack.

As I contributed some voice acting to this I am anxious to check it out. Unfortunately I installed the Enhancement Pack some time back though I am guessing this instruction from the read me still stands ?

Quote:

--> Uninstallation <--

To uninstall the Enhancement Pack, simply delete EP.crf. You may also want to remove references to it from your DarkInst.cfg / Install.cfg. If you installed using the quick installation instructions, a backup of your old .cfg file was made. Simply replace the modified DarkInst.cfg with the backup, DarkInst.cfg.epbak.

I am half way through a few FM's. Will removing the EP mess up my saves or is it smooth sailing ?

Procession.

ffox on 6/2/2011 at 11:33

Can you play it with the EP installed? We don't know for sure yet if it affects everybody using the EP.

I'm sure there won't be any trouble with uninstalling. If there is, you can always re-install before using those saves.

Saves themselves will not be changed by changing other things, although they may not work properly until you restore the environment in which they were saved.

Haplo on 6/2/2011 at 11:37

To temporarily uninstall EP, just rename EP.CRF to something like EP.CRF1 (make sure you change the extension). This will not affect the save games or anything else.

The crash with EP on is because the engine runs out of palettes. Many FMs crash with EP, for example Eclipsed and Rocksbourg 3.