Jah on 13/2/2011 at 23:14

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Finished the mission. I had frobbed both the button and the book at the Skulls' base, but for some reason nothing happened, which is why I missed the chalice. When I returned there and tried again, I got the safe open, and after getting all three artifacts, was able to move on.

A good mission overall, but it does have a lot of potential to get really confusing, because it's so easy to end up doing things in the "wrong" order. For instance, I couldn't initially figure out the werewolf transformation at the cemetery - Webster just asked for my help in retrieving Ramirez's ledger, so why is he now trying to kill me? I think it would have made more sense to have the "Meet Webster at the cemetery" objective only appear after you have Ramirez's book, since that's supposed to be the reason for the meeting.

I also felt that the skeleton should have been toned down a bit and should be easier to kill once you have the sacred sword. I finally managed to take it out using invisibility potions, but without them, it would have been a real exercise in frustration. As it is, I think the player is being punished a little too harshly for missing the potions or using them somewhere else.

darthsLair on 14/2/2011 at 02:20

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quoted by Jah

A good mission overall, but it does have a lot of potential to get really confusing, because it's so easy to end up doing things in the "wrong" order. For instance, I couldn't initially figure out the werewolf transformation at the cemetery - Webster just asked for my help in retrieving Ramirez's ledger, so why is he now trying to kill me? I think it would have made more sense to have the "Meet Webster at the cemetery" objective only appear after you have Ramirez's book, since that's supposed to be the reason for the meeting.

Here is an simple explanation to the order of objectives, especially the Ramirez ledger objective being cancelled and why: By the time you read the Commissioner's Red Ledger(evidence) it then obvious that Mr.Webster had the Commissioner set up Garrett by having one his goons steal Garrett's coin purse and plant it at one the grizzly murder scenes. This is mentioned in the beginning in Jail before you escape. " I have your coin purse as evidence to the murders !"
The only reason Mr.Webster entices Garrett to Steal Ramirez' ledger (blackbook) is to get Garrett to the Cemetery which just happens to have no normal access. When you were trapped in the Cemetery momentarily, and Mr. Webster considers you staying in the Shadows as a wise option, and then asks you again for the ledger, it is just a ploy to get you to face him. I really did'nt think that this should be spelled out for the player, as they should have the freedom to use their intuitive imagination to figure why they were invited to a meeting with someone completely unknown to them. Mr. Webster was afraid of Garrett finding and stealing evidence that would in fact Convict him, and of course with Garrett being the only one who could collect the evidence, the smart thing to do is to eliminate the one you set up, so Retaliation in any form is impossible.

Heres the other angle you must also consider. The Hammerites are here to enforce their laws upon everyone to overide the negligence in local law enforcement. They always investigate, and come to their own conclusions regarding law breakers. Your first objective in order is to" Meet with the High Priest at the Cathdedral. In order to stand any chance of regaining your life and freedom you must help them to retrieve their sacred artifacts, and in Garrett's Collecting activities even more is revealed to him, and the eventual recovery of the 4 books of evidence, not only clears Garrett of any Wrong doing, but implicates Mr.Webster, Mr. Ramirez, And of course Josh.

Your secondary objective is to meet with Mr. Webster, and if you heard the High Priest speak of Ramirez and Webster before hearing Mr.Webster speak you can understand that Mr.Webster could have easliy hired Josh and Jake to Steal Ramirez ledger especially since Josh was an ex-employee and already was in posession of the Combination to his vault. My intent here was to depict a Story without taking away the players ability to fit the essential pieces of the puzzle together the way they would enacted them.

The simple fact that you were confused to the order of the Request of Ramirez ledger left you options in your imagination to fill in the blanks. I dont want to spoil that opportunity by divulging the entire Story outright. That might tend to bore the player by disallowing the unfolding of the story.

Thanks for Playing !

darthsLair on 14/2/2011 at 09:25

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I am glad you enjoyed it , yes it is confusing. I am just about ready to release the final version :deadly_triangleRev1a. It should be alittle easier to see where you are headed in the scheme of things. I added two more conversations, and a few more books to help understand the concept.

You are right about the order of objectives, as they can be broken. I know I like to just explore in and out of buildings and such and try to powerup.

The Cathedral is only one building away from the City Watch Jail. If you come out through the secret tunnel, and use your lockpick on the Main Gate, you will slip by un-noticed, and just go left past the City Watch Tower, and the Cathdedral is There. If you do it this way, You get an objective to meet Mr. Webster, and then go inside to meet the High Priest. The Story unfolds, and you begin to Realize why the Hammerites are here, and that they have been investigating.

The only clue as to the general whereabouts of Commissioner DeNavan is in Ramirez' Ledger(evidence) Reading the threatning letter from Ramirez to DeVavan concerning the release of one Ramirez Thugs from CragsCleft Prison. DeNavan's Fate was that of The River. Generally no mention of the exact location.

The two main Conversations are The Hammerites, and Mr.Webster. Reading DeNavans ledger allows you to realize who had set you up, and of course if you met Mr.Webster prior to this, you might have been alittle leary of why Mr. Webster would choose the Cemetary who's key had been lost long ago. Trapped inside intentionally, and given the option of staying in the Shadows, not knowing what Mr. Webster was really up to. The other confusion to the Ramirez ledger objective being cancelled is mainly due to the fact that Mr.Webster was intending to kill you, as he had killed all of the innocent people, including Amilion in the Cemetary. Amilion was unfortunate enough to have closed the main cemetery gate behind him thereby locking himself in with no way of exiting. He had then become content with just the silence and serenity of death coming, and with his murder by the Evil Mr. Webster, just shortened his misery.
The Hammerites requesting Ramirez ledger (evidence) which directly influenced your abiltiy to free yourself of charges if you chose to bring it to the Hammerites. The money fronted by Mr. Webster for a job for hire, was totally unecessary, but paid well figuring you wouldn't live long enough to spend it. Know one really suspected Mr.Webster except the Hammerites, and of course yourself after witnessing , as he stated " his power" The book on his desk clearly reflects his ego of maintaining his criminal activities while using his name and ex-title "Warden of the Docks"

I have cleard some of this up in the new revision, so going off course the first run through the game, will allow a return to then understand that the order of objectives as far as unraveling the story as it was written was well intended. Also for the timing of events occuring as the Player treads to Ramirez to discover more about the power struggle between the two super powers. So to speak.

Thanks again for playing !:thumb:

darthsLair on 16/2/2011 at 05:52

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Yes, It is complex, and very tricky to decide on any order of the meetings. Just let the player decide who he wants to meet first, and the Story will come together by the end of the game. Thanks for playing !

The Final Edition Has been uploaded : Feb 16th.
(http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4N4886S1) http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4N4886S1
Good to go on this final Revision. A local Lan group here tested it for about 3 dozen run throughs. No serious bugs on Windows xp, Vista, or Windows 7.

Revisions are described here:(http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134787) http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134787

I was able to reduce the palette count down to 218, so the Enhancement Pack should now be okay to use. If not there are instructions on page 1.

nickie on 16/2/2011 at 09:51

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Thanks for posting the voice actors, darthslair. :)