Thief Series quite likely to hit Steam soon...

RavynousHunter on 21/3/2007 at 00:09

...I only used steam for CS, and i never really had any problems with it. 'course I stopped playing it about a year ago when i got Guild Wars. The only way I'd pay Steam to play Thief, is if they made it online and made that facet actually worth my time. :sweat: 'sides that, I dont have the boxes for my Thief games either (i think i have the DS one ...somewhere...), and what if i happen to lose my CDs? (considering i lost most of my cds a while back) Thats why I ALWAYS make backup isos. If i lose a CD, tough nuts, ill just burn the iso and blammo, it may not be the original, but it works. :thumb:

imperialreign on 21/3/2007 at 00:25

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Thats why I ALWAYS make backup isos. If i lose a CD, tough nuts, ill just burn the iso and blammo, it may not be the original, but it works.

but, <OH NO!> that goes against the DMCA; and we wouldn't want that now would we?!

Sorry, but I believe in hard copies, also; and growing up with the old-skool EULA that allowed for a user to make backup copies of any digital media for their own personal use is still the game book I roll with. It's become a force of habit now when I buy a new program, CD, DVD, whatever - that the first thing I do is burn a copy. Then the original disks go back in the box, on a shelf, wherever, and I just run off the burnt copy.

As long as downloaded media in any form prevents such and ability to backup the original content of said media, they won't get my dollar.

SirBlade on 21/3/2007 at 07:12

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Uh, yes?

When they replicate the feel of a hardback in your hands, the smell of a brand new tome, the portability and ease of use of a book - then, maybe. But I just can't see it. Even if the technology was possible, I can't see it being a substitute for the Real Thing.

While a new book does feel and smell nice, I would hardly call them portable. I have an iPAQ with MS Reader installed, on a CF-card I have dozens of books. Literature and manuals, reference guides, etc. I also own a hardcopy of most of the literature. The iPAQ ways a few grams and fits into my pocket. On my bookshelf i have 2 meters of Terry Pratchett and Robert Jordan books, which I can only lift using a forklift. Sure, I can take one book with me on the bus to work but that's still bigger and heavier then my iPAQ. On which I can read for hours without side-effects. The manuals and reference guides are even bigger, and worse, I don't always know when I'm gonna need one of them. And you can search for a word or sentence in a digital book, without having to skim through all 679 pages.

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You either get it or you don't. If you're a philistine with no appreciation of aesthetics or history, that's your loss, but most people thankfully aren't. Sometimes, modern technology isn't the best way. Sometimes, there's a reason that things have been done a certain way for thousands of years.

Yes, and that reason is called "Force of Habbit".

"Off all the forces in the universe, the hardest to overcome is the force of habit. Gravity is easy-peasy by comparison."

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Having just looked at the (http://steampowered.com/v/index.php?publisher=eidos&cc=US) price list for Eidos' games on Steam, I can honestly say that there's no future for downloads so long as they cost more than the physical game.

$18 for Hitman on download or $8 for Hitman on CD from a shop? TOUGH CHOICE.

If Steam would allow me to play Thief1/Gold/2 again on my XP machine (and Vista) and if I could play FM's on it I'd buy it asap.

yubetcha on 21/3/2007 at 11:32

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Please tell me nobody outside the third world has dial up these days :erm:

Cable/satellite must be cheap where you live. Don't expect the whole world to be the same as in your neighborhood.

yubetcha on 21/3/2007 at 11:49

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I agree. A law was created when floppies were common that said that we had a right to make a copy for a backup, because of the possibility that the software would become unusable. As far as I know, that law has never been repealed. And now it has been said that CDs and DVDs don't live as long as we were originally told.

hexarith on 21/3/2007 at 13:03

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I also wanted HL2, but I didn't buy it, because I fail to see the reason why I should have Steam being forced on me like a trojan horse. I would buy HL2 the minute it would be sold without Steam, but as long as it's bundled I wont buy it, which means never, because doubt that it would ever be decoupled.

Just buy HL2 on DVD and get the De-Steamed version from the known sources :ebil: At least in germany this is perfectly legal. Our laws explicitly state, that one may modify, reverse engineer, crack or whatever you call it a piece of software in order to get it running as long as you got a valid licence. You also got the right make backup copies and you're allowed to break copy protection if you're want to duplicate a computer program (you may not break the protection if you want to to make copies of movies or music, i.e. you're allowed to make backups of music and movies for private use if those are not copy protected).

Essentially this means, that if you have a valid licence of HL2 you're allowed to have it installed as a cracked version.

sparhawk on 21/3/2007 at 14:45

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Just buy HL2 on DVD and get the De-Steamed version from the known sources :ebil: At least in germany this is perfectly legal.

Nope. With my purchase I would still send the message to Valve saying that Steam is acceptable, which it isn't for me. If there would be a decoupled version I would instantly buy it, reinforcing that message, but graciously "allowing" me to get a Steam free version through dubious sources is not the same.

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Our laws explicitly state, that one may modify, reverse engineer, crack or whatever you call it a piece of software in order to get it running as long as you got a valid licence.

Yes, but if you do that, then you agree to the underlying mechanism. A consumer should NOT have to crack a program just to be able to use it properly. That's kind of backwards, isn't it? Like buying a house and being forced to break into it, because you dont get the key.

MH.TheFreak on 21/3/2007 at 17:11

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If Steam would allow me to play Thief1/Gold/2 again on my XP machine (and Vista) and if I could play FM's on it I'd buy it asap.

In this case, they have to rebuild the dark engine. :cheeky:

Peanuckle on 10/4/2007 at 16:19

I've heard stuff that the steam version of thief will be very hard to use things like fan-missions because of the way it will be designed.

sNeaksieGarrett on 10/4/2007 at 18:49

:tsktsk: God no, please don't be putting the good 'ol thief series on steam!:(

that'd be a disgrace to these great games. Thief doesn't need some steam thing. The thing is, I like digital downloads, but i also like having a disc because its much easier to install a program from a disc than to have to download the friggin installer that could take hours and then install it. Or in the case of steam, "update" the game until its "ready" to play. No, I don't invision the thief games on steam. Maybe thief 3, in fact who cares if it was. Steam is overated, and all they want is the money I think. What would be scary is if steam had every game almost known to man on it. :o But of course, that's impossible anyway lol...

[edit] Wow, I forgot. Thief:Deadly Shadows is already on steam. its going for 19.95 USD