Dia on 11/11/2010 at 13:51
Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion
I consider him younger, especially with the rebellious thoughts when leaving the Keepers - and also remembering that people didn't get very old in the middle ages and later. Five to eight years of training and a starting age of eleven to thirteen years seems reasonable to me.
I always thought Garrett was somewhere in his early 40s during the events of TDS. However, BG has a point in regards to people not having very long life spans in the middle ages. So even if Garrett was in his 30s during the TDS period, he would've looked & seemed a lot older. (Which still doesn't explain
why the devs made him younger looking in TDS as opposed to his somewhat older appearance in TDP or TMA.) :weird:
Fantastic job indeed, Chewbubba! :thumb: :thumb:
van HellSing on 11/11/2010 at 17:08
Good thing Thief isn't set in the middle ages. Or in any time period on Earth at all.
Solabusca on 11/11/2010 at 17:50
Yeah, I'd have to agree with Digi. Karath-Din not only had to have time to fall, but to fall and have it's location FORGOTTEN, then have a city be built over it's remains.
So yeah, definitely more than 400 years. I'd say closer to a few thousand (time for it to rise, for the empire to fall, for the city to be forgotten, and for a new City to be built on it's remains.)
I posted a possible 'eras of play' thread a few years ago that breaks down MY ideas about timeline. Maybe I should dig it up... or let jtr7 link to it!
.j.
Chewbubba on 12/11/2010 at 00:20
Garrett did look older in some cutscenes, but in others... not so much. Especially in TDP. And I always thought he looked like a teenager in the cutscenes when he picks the Keeper's pocket (Artemis?).
And the 400 years... well, like I said, I pretty much pulled that number out of my butt (is that why it stinks? Ha!) - but the precursor empire didn't have to rise in that time, it would have already been in place. And it's not inconceivable that a Vesuvius/Pompeii/Mt. St. Helen's event could have easily obliterated and covered the city within days.
But I see where it might be a stretch to build The City over it in only 200 years.
Chewbubba on 12/11/2010 at 00:23
And while I'm thinking about it, why hasn't anyone novelized these games???
You know, The Force Unleashed and it's sequel were both novelized, and many new games are getting the same treatment.
Aren't there any writers here?
Chewbubba on 12/11/2010 at 00:24
Quote Posted by Jah
According to your timeline, Garrett was only 24 in TDP, had left the Keepers only a couple of years earlier and was still under 30 at the end of TDS. I always considered him to be older, maybe in his early thirties, at the beginning of TDP, and would imagine that it took him more than two years to hone his skills and become a Master Thief after leaving the Keepers.
I thought it was the fact that he had Keeper training that made him a master thief.
theBlackman on 12/11/2010 at 04:17
Quote Posted by Chewbubba
I thought it was the fact that he had Keeper training that made him a master thief.
That is the tenor of the game plot. He took the training and became a thief. He left because he was dissatisfied with the regimentation imposed by the Keepers.
Looking at the timeline, he was in his teens, (13 or 14 at the low end and possibly 16 to 18 at the upper). Adding at least 3 years, more likely 5 or a bit more, he could easily be in the age group your timeline suggests.
Low end: 5 plus 13 = 18
High end: 5 plus 18 = 23.
It seems more likely, JAH, that the upper end (5 years + for training) is the more realistic. If you can apply realistic to an imaginary character in an imaginary world.
It is unlikely that he would have matured enough to start his career as a Master Thief at the age of 15 to 18 if he was taken in by the Keepers at the age of 12 or 13.
The opening cut scene does seem to give him the physical charateristics of a 16 to 18 year old rather than a 12 to 14.
Jah on 12/11/2010 at 07:06
I can more or less agree about his age when he left the Keepers; I've just assumed there's a longer period of time between that and the beginning of TDP. Besides perfecting his actual thieving skills, Garrett would have also needed time to establish contacts in the City - fences, informants and such. For that and for building up a reputation as a Master Thief - enough of a reputation to attract the attention of someone as powerful as Constantine - a couple of years seems too short.
Beleg Cúthalion on 12/11/2010 at 15:01
Quote Posted by van HellSing
Good thing Thief isn't set in the middle ages. Or in any time period on Earth at all.
You suggest that people in the Thief world are much healthier than we are to cope with badly-heated rooms, food problems, diseases, dirt and air pollution...? :p
jtr7 on 12/11/2010 at 21:31
Yep. Health potions, alchemy, and flora and fauna we don't have, and something out of that keeping people out of the hospitals when the beasts and murderers strike. Other than that, business as usual, except for the lack so far of legitimate medical facilities. TDS almost had a Doc Waverly, who couldn't keep health potions in stock, and then you have the festering wounds draggin' on all week for no apparent reason.:p
Garrett left the Keepers in his early twenties, after that, we can't pin his age down.
