Keeper_Andrus on 7/6/2004 at 02:43
Quote Posted by LRotan
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I sincerely doubt Garrett will give up his thieving ways. He's been at it way too long to suddenly have a complete change of heart after one incident. The way I see it, Garrett epitomizes the balance that the old keepers kept on harping about. He's neither good nor evil. He's looting everything not nailed down and saving the city at the same time. The two are pretty much connected. In all three games, it's his greed that has led him to ultimately save the city. Yeah, he'll be busy saving the city when it needs it, but I believe he'll keep making a profit as well.
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Rather, Garrett is both good and evil.
dr. cello on 7/6/2004 at 02:47
Only, it's easier to be neither of something than being both of something. One implies a paradox.
Coyote on 7/6/2004 at 02:58
Maybe they had a glyph of treasure making? :p
dr. cello on 7/6/2004 at 03:16
Probably they had a few keepers who had legitimate jobs. I can imagine them keeping libraries and maybe selling books to people, and such like that. Though I'd be interested to know if this was actually considered...
tantoedge on 7/6/2004 at 03:48
Keepers are knowledge seekers, so I assume they have a lot of knowledge for 'sale'.
Remember in Men in Black when Tommy Lee Jones denotes that MIB collects cash of a 'few patents they have'?
The Keepers could be the main suppliers (though unbeknownst to the recievers) of all sorts of books. When you've got that many scribes in your collective you can crank out books constantly.
[spoiler]It's obvious that Garrett does accept his role in the end. While he will always thrill from thieving, he's not stupid.
He is now the leader of a great spy network that cultivates vast tracts of knowledge each day. He also has (expectedly) even more stealth ability now than ever before (considering he's endowed by a super-glyph).
As for Gamall... if she didn't simply turn to dust, I figure she was jailed as was noted earlier. It's one thing to kill in the heat of battle, but in cold blood is not the Keepers' way.
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My only question is [spoiler]whatever happened to the clock tower?[/spoiler]
Do the Hammers send Garrett a bill?
Finally, in all of this series we've been faced with so many factions, but not once do we deal with the folks who foot the City Watch funding.
The mayor.
Sure we met Gorman Truart and his 'band of thugs' as they're lovingly known, but we never met Gorman's boss, or the other powers that be.
So many nobles, no rulers? Is The City simply a 'by the people, for the people' deal? Does anybody care? Is this thing on? Hello?
dr. cello on 7/6/2004 at 03:50
The Baron is the man in charge of the city, who is off to war.
Banshee on 7/6/2004 at 08:44
IIRC from the earlier games, the city is ruled by a 'Baron' or a 'Regent', apparently as a city-state of sorts. Also, in T:DS, there was mention of the seven great families (no longer great or by most standards family), which I think might form an upper echelon of aristocracy in the city. Considering how often the same noble surnames (Bafford, Gervasius, etc.) turn up in the games, the society circles in town cannot be very large.
Omegacron on 7/6/2004 at 16:27
I think if you pay attention to the information provided in the game, you can figure out what happened to Garrett and the Keepers. Spoilers below:
[SPOILER]The Keepers were originally formed to maintain balance. By working in the background and shadows, they kept the the balance between order and chaos, progress and nature, good and evil. Over the centures, however, more emphasis was placed on the knowledge needed to do this and less the actual act of doing it. In the end, the Keepers became nothing more than glorified librarians.
Garrett, however, was considered the One True Keeper because he did what the Keepers were supposed to - he took the gathered information and knowledge and used it to take action - thus maintaining balance. First by stopping Constantine, then Karras. Even now, when the balance between Keeper and Glyph, Master and Servant, loses its balance, Garrett saves the day by using the Prophecies to bring about the Final Glyph.
As for the future, the Keepers are obviously starting over from scratch, presumably with Garrett at their lead. He will now recreate the Keepers into what they were intended to be - a secret army of scholarly warriors who maintain the various balances by not only gathering information but also taking action.[/SPOILER]
Well, there. That's my two cents worth regarding the future of the Keepers.
odyseeos on 8/6/2004 at 04:12
There's no essential difference between the speech the child Garrett received in T1 and the speech Garrett gives out at the end of T3. Also, the Old Woman says to the group, "I'm back with you again", or something like that. The Keepers are expert at disappearing. But why would Garrett ever agree to become a Keeper: the One True one, Only One, One among, or anything else resembling? What happened to the bitter taste of it when he picked up that Glyph? What gave him a smile in his face and a key on the back of his hand?
dr. cello on 8/6/2004 at 04:33
Actually, the old woman says 'back, back with you!' in a sort of 'back, back you fiend!' sort of way, but it's devoid of strength or force because SHE has been stripped of strength.
As for why he would accept it, he's not a static character. He has started to care about the prophecies, starting with the end of Thief 2: 'And there's more?' 'Yes.' 'Tell me.' When Artemus says 'you have been allowed', it implies that he requested it. When he hears about this Compendium of Reproach and the key that's needed to open it, he decides to go investigate. When he hears the 'when Time stops, the evil ones will be pointed out' prophecy, he goes to stop time. He cares about the prophecies, and about detecting the evil ones. When Caduca is killed, he goes to prove that it was Orland who killed.
He doesn't exactly realise that he's been changing into someone who is actively caring about the fate of the City, rather than just protecting his own self-interest. And when he activates the failsafe, the key is imprinted on the back of his hand. He frowns at it as if in confusion, at first, I believe.
Then, when the girl tries to pickpocket him, he realises what it means. When he says 'It's no easy thing... to see a Keeper,' he hesitates before 'to see a Keeper', and says 'to see a Keeper' as if he now understands. When he's done speaking, he smiles, not like he's happy, but as if he just understood something very ironic.
