Dew-Drop on 6/7/2004 at 05:24
I thought a building appeared and it was the keeper Compound.
I didn't pick up all that stuff on the Abysmal Gale, but that definitely explains it with the lady.
My question is, in the 1st cutscene with the Keeper writing glyphs and then frowning on the result of what appeared he crumples up the paper and puts it into his desk, what does that mean? I'm not even sure what it could mean. Any guesses?
The Rogue Wolf on 6/7/2004 at 20:46
Quote Posted by Dew-Drop
My question is, in the 1st cutscene with the Keeper writing glyphs and then frowning on the result of what appeared he crumples up the paper and puts it into his desk, what does that mean? I'm not even sure what it could mean. Any guesses?
IMO:
A sign of the Keepers beginning to have trouble controlling the glyphs, I think. The Keeper didn't know what to make of the fact that what he was writing was changing itself, but didn't want to cause himself trouble (remember what the woman in the library said about the infirmary), so he simply tore out the page and hid it.
Interesting how loud the sound of the page being torn was, hm? I'd think that tearing a page from a book would be almost sacrilege to the Keepers.
Fallen+Keeper on 7/7/2004 at 07:14
I think we should ask ourselves another question:
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With all those glyphs gone, the secrets of the Keepers a) vanished; b) become visibile (as their compounds).
Now, with all those secret sites like Karath-Din, Sunken Citadel and others exposed to the unwary eyes, or better, with all those strange and not always friendly creatures free to roam the world at their pleasure, what will happen?
The unemployed Keepers would better think about that.
A note on the glyphs: the Garrett's hand on the Final Glyph made me think about a seal. Maybe the Glyphs have been undone and sealed under his new fancy Mark. Maybe he's the One True Keeper because he keeps the access to the Glyphs. He himself could be the Key. Though he could even have no access to them by himself.
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Rh|no on 9/7/2004 at 17:57
One thing in the final scene confused me a bit .....
[SPOILER]What was the bit about the building not having been there before, all about ?[/SPOILER]
Slortex on 9/7/2004 at 17:58
[SPOILER]The keeper compound had been made invisible by glyphs until they were destroyed by the final Glyph.[/SPOILER]
Quote Posted by Rh|no
One thing in the final scene confused me a bit .....
[SPOILER]What was the bit about the building not having been there before, all about ?[/SPOILER]
Chaos³ on 11/7/2004 at 21:15
Quote Posted by Dew-Drop
I thought a building
appeared and it was the keeper Compound.
I didn't pick up all that stuff on the Abysmal Gale, but that definitely explains it with the lady.
My question is, in the 1st cutscene with the Keeper writing glyphs and then frowning on the result of what appeared he crumples up the paper and puts it into his desk, what does that mean? I'm not even sure what it could mean. Any guesses?
Personally, I figured that it was revealing something about the Keepers being corrupted, and since the scribe didn't like that, he quickly put it away.
macerico on 29/12/2005 at 22:41
Well, I'm coming in late, and I think others touched on it....
Keepers are all about maintaining balance.
In T3, the problem is all because the Keepers have lost their balance.
Garret is the last "true keeper" because he does what is needed to retore order.
When the powe cannot be trusted to the only people who can be trusted with it, it is time for the true keeper to emerge and destroy the power. This is why the last glyph was hidden so well, so only at the appointed time could it be activated...lest some fearful Keeper use it prematurely.
T-Smith on 30/12/2005 at 00:22
Quote Posted by macerico
Garret is the last "true keeper" because he does what is needed to retore order.
Quite right, and in the end, that's the greatest irony of the Thief series. In the beginning, Garrett left the Keepers and swore off their ways. He wanted nothing than to be left alone, and cared only for himself. At first glance it would seem he is not balanced, and indeed HE isn't.
However, through his actions during the course of the trilogy, Garrett's shown he's more of a Keeper then anyone in the actual orginization. When The Trickster threatened to tilt the balance of power in favour of the Pagans, it was Garrett who acted as a counter-weight ans restored balance.
When Karrass was set to kill everything in the City, hence more or less destroying the entire equilibrium, it was again Garrett who saved the day.
When the Keepers themselves had become misguided and lost their own balance (with the ultimate manifestation of that being Gamall), it was Garrett who defeated the Hag and relieved the corrupt Keepers of their powers, again restoring order.
In the end Garrett himself realized this. The one man who was least likely was the one chosen, and in the end the only real Keeper.
Shoshin on 4/1/2006 at 00:27
While it's true that Garrett defeated the Trickster, remember that it was Garrett who gave the Trickster the Eye in the first place.
I've always read it thusly:
1) Garrett becomes a Keeper-in-Training ("most promising acolyte")
2) Garrett leaves to serve himself, thus initially upsetting the balance that
was being maintained by being an extraordinary thief, attracting the
attention of a god-being who then uses Garrett's greed to obtain an
object that he wouldn't otherwise be able to obtain.
3) Garrett is forced to counter the Trickster, which throws the balance in
favor of Order and allowing the Mechanists to rise to prominence (since
the forces of Chaos are severely weakened by the events in The Dark
Project).
4) Garrett then defeats Karras.
In my view, Garrett was the original unbalancing force that threw everything out of whack, and his actions in the first two games were largely him trying to clean up the mess that he initially created. Then, in the third game, it is natural for the Keepers to believe that Garrett is the "Brethren and Betrayer" since they have already seen that his self-serving nature caused problems previously. However, Garrett himself has matured by the third game, and though still a master thief, his thieving abilities are almost immediately put to use trying to figure out what is going on. He becomes proactive rather than reactive, and is pretty generally concerned with the well-being of the city. And it is pretty clear that the Keeper organization is overly reliant on prophecy rather than observation and action, and even if there weren't the threat of Gamal looming, the Keepers were in need of serious house-cleaning and re-evaluation. The Gamal threat simply forced that event. And Garrett at the end recognized, I believe, that he was well and truly a Keeper (with all that entails), and could not move through the world with no responsibilities any longer.
But that's just my take on it.
Chewbubba on 13/1/2006 at 03:46
Ressurecting this thread a little, are we to believe then that the creatures-from-the-black-lagoon in the Sunken Citadel were the original inhabitants of the Lost City?
