ZeroFlight on 13/1/2006 at 05:19
That's up to your interpretation. There's already been a big debate on them and nothing was completely resolved.
godofgamers on 16/1/2006 at 22:55
Garrett would appear to be the One True Keeper; according to the prophecies, his arrival is awaited with dread. What do the keepers fear more than the loss of the Glyphs and the exposure of their secrets?
As for Gamall, she must have been locked up and guarded until she died of (a) old age (b) the apocolypse or (c) being bitten by a crocodile lying in the broom closet of a mustard factory, cleverly disguised as a dustbin
Garrett indeed shows that he is begginning to respect the Eight Principles and the lessons from the Book of Balance, and accepts his role as the One True Keeper. However, the rest of the keepers seem to have lost their balance.
Holywhippet on 17/1/2006 at 23:02
I truly don't think the modern day Keepers had a clue as to what the prophecies were hinting at. They most likely felt they were such an essential force in the City that they'd be around forever. Quite the opposite, the early Keepers forsaw a time when the Keeper order might need to be dismantled and the glyph magic nullified. It's possible they even saw exactly what events were to come. Garrett activated their failsafe that would do both. The cancellation of glyph magic meant their home was no longer hidden from view and all of their books were made blank. The city dwellers would have looted their keep of anything of value so there would be no way of them reviving their order.
I seem to recall the Abysmal Gale being explained more in a previous thread. Some of the cut materials from the game explained things better. Gamall took over the Captains identity and began searching for the Compendium of Reproach. Either for her own purposes or because of what she did, the crew were turned into undead.
It also occurs to me now how appropriate the name "Compendium of Reproach" is. The word reproach means to scold someone for their actions. It was a hint to the Keepers that they were not doing the right thing.
T-Smith on 18/1/2006 at 01:28
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I seem to recall the Abysmal Gale being explained more in a previous thread. Some of the cut materials from the game explained things better. Gamall took over the Captains identity and began searching for the Compendium of Reproach. Either for her own purposes or because of what she did, the crew were turned into undead.
Now that's interesting. I know from reading stuff in the game files that Gamall was responsible for the zombification of the ship. However, her taking over Moira's body wouldn't really fit in, would it? It'd be kind of pointless. Moira's journal entry onboard the ship shows that he suddenly stopped writing. So let's assume that it was at that momment that Gamall attacked him and took his body. It'd be kind of pointless, wouldn't it? She'd take the body just so she could walk around the ship and look for info? She's Gamall, I don't think she'd go to that kind of trouble when she could easily slice up the ship mates and find the manifest just as easily. We know she never went to the Overlook Mansion in the body looking for info, as whatever she did on the ship happened on it's last voyage out, and it never returned.
Holywhippet on 24/1/2006 at 00:12
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Now that's interesting. I know from reading stuff in the game files that Gamall was responsible for the zombification of the ship. However, her taking over Moira's body wouldn't really fit in, would it? It'd be kind of pointless. Moira's journal entry onboard the ship shows that he suddenly stopped writing. So let's assume that it was at that momment that Gamall attacked him and took his body. It'd be kind of pointless, wouldn't it? She'd take the body just so she could walk around the ship and look for info? She's Gamall, I don't think she'd go to that kind of trouble when she could easily slice up the ship mates and find the manifest just as easily. We know she never went to the Overlook Mansion in the body looking for info, as whatever she did on the ship happened on it's last voyage out, and it never returned.
Open conflict has never been Gamall's preference. Everything indicates that she was trying to play it safe until the final glyph was destroyed. She could have rampaged through the ship - but the crew might have decided to scuttle the ship and take off in longboats. Gamall would be unable to find the compendium if it was at the bottom of the ocean.
T-Smith on 24/1/2006 at 03:09
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Open conflict has never been Gamall's preference. Everything indicates that she was trying to play it safe until the final glyph was destroyed. She could have rampaged through the ship - but the crew might have decided to scuttle the ship and take off in longboats. Gamall would be unable to find the compendium if it was at the bottom of the ocean.
But by the time Gamall got on the ship, whatever she did - the Compendium was in the Overlook Mansion, not on the boat.
Of course, she didn't know that. But now here's the question - the Abysmal Gail left The Docks fine, but when it came back in was zombified. Obviously, Gamall had intercepted and got on board at some point. Now, how does Gamall manage to sneak about the pirate vessel, find Robert Moira, then steal and put on his skin, without any of the other crew members noticing? Assuming she really had that kind of stealth ability (a definate possibility, with her powers over glyphs) then why would she have bothered with Moira, when instead she could have just snuck to the manifest?
Moira's journal entry suddenly cuts off, suggesting that whatever happened to him (flat out killed, suddenly zombified, or a sudden loss of skin) happened when he was in his quarters at his desk. That would mean Gamall would have had to have snuck onto the ship, down one of the two ladders (most likely the one Garrett goes down - if she went down the other one first, she would have found the manifest pretty easily), then managed to get to Moira's room without being spotted.
One might assume that she would have taken control of a shipmate's body first to get to Moira, hence drawing less attention. but if she did that, she'd have no need for Moira in the first place, as she could have just used THAT body to search the ship.
It seems to me that, regardless of whether she stole the skin of someone on the ship or not, she never found the manifest. If she did, then it would have made sense for her to destroy it, or just flat out sink the ship. But instead she zombified the crew because she couldn't find it. She seemed to hope the zombies would keep people away from the ship. That way, no one else would go in except her, if she wanted to go look for clues again.
Salad_Dodger on 28/1/2006 at 04:19
Here's my $.02:
[SPOILER]The cut scene begins with Garrett placing the Eye into the fountain. The Eye appears to burn, or at least glow beneath Garrett's hand. The Final Glyph undoes all the other glyphs, causing Gamall to come undone, the compound to appear, and all the glyphs in the books to disappear. As Garrett comes full circle and catches the pick-pocket, we see a tattoo, or more likely a brand in his flesh, of a key symbol. I think the Eye burned it into his skin... and since the key symbol is the opposite of the Keepers symbol, the keyhole, it signifies that he is the True Keeper. Or, to extend the analogy, he's unlocked the mystery the Keepers represent through prophecy and glyphs. Furthermore I believe he isn't a "Keeper" per se (they're now out of business so to speak)... he recites the whole "It's not easy to see a Keeper, much less a Keeper who doesn't want to be seen" spiel as irony. Hence the wry smile.[/SPOILER]
ADV on 30/1/2006 at 23:31
Quote Posted by Chaos³
Personally, I figured that it was revealing something about the Keepers being corrupted, and since the scribe didn't like that, he quickly put it away.
Im pretty sure that scribe is Gamal in the flesh. Thats her when she was a keeper scribe, and her greed was shown when she ripped the page from the book.
Like one of the loading screen messages goes "Fed too much, the flame of knowledge will spread unchecked, to consume and destroy. - Fourth Warning of the Scribarium"
As to what she found exactly, that is quite open to debate.
ADV
DarkShadow on 4/2/2006 at 16:15
Quote Posted by Mehrunes
It made me wonder how much of the horrible monster we were just fighting had been her, and how much had been the glyphs themselves.
I never looked at it like this before but it raises quite an interesting question.
Cardel on 9/2/2006 at 19:33
In a way the "One true keeper" could have been Gamall. She performed action when she wanted and needed to, like the old keepers would. However, the difference between her and Garrett is that he hates the glyphs, hates all the magic used by the keepers. If he was assimilated into the keeper organisation totally to become another elder and not rebel, he too could have been turned into a Gamall. She was the same as him, I suppose. A promising acolyte, but she saw the glyphs and fell in love with them. Garrett saw their danger, and so hated them.
Garrett was a rebel to the keepers and their glyphs. Gamall was so glyph enhanced she saw that he was a threat. Without Garrett she would have risen up slowly and unnoticed, eventually controlling the whole keeper organisation and therefore the city.
