thiefessa on 18/1/2012 at 21:17
Quote Posted by New Horizon
The current approach is to destroy the evidence of dissension and displeasure to create a positive atmosphere. It doesn't work that way. It has to be real..and that takes work. Foster creativity. You're not deleting text on a page, you're deleting someone's thoughts...and that is down right rude.
Hold a monthly "getting to know the devs" Q and A. How many Devs are there now? The current number should keep people busy for over a year I'm sure.
The ultimate goal here should be to build relationships. The current mindset is to erase any ill will, rather than earn good will by way of creative initiatives. That philosophy will get the Eidos forums nowhere. The Q/A's do not have to be related to the development of T4 in any way other than they are getting to interact with the Developers behind it. The Thief community is a group of creators...touch base with them. Let them get to know the people behind the next Thief game and I guarantee the ill feelings will turn around. Anyway, I left the forums and that is the end of it. However you folks choose to run the forums is up to you. All the best.
There has been no destroying of evidence to create a positive atmosphere, there is a rants thread for this purpose and posts in off-topic threads get moved there. If any deletions take place, it is because the content violated the ToU - be it wholly or partially.
Thanks for your ideas about PR and such. These sorts of things will happen, as they did for DX:HR... but I guess SE/EM have a plan in place, so we have to wait until they are ready to show us what they've got. We're all in the same boat when it comes to waiting for news and info about anything relating to the game.
I'm not here to try to convince you to return, of course. All the best to you too.
Quote Posted by Brethren
Just curious, what kind of posts are getting deleted? Is it pretty much anything remotely anti-Eidos or anti-Thief4?
The only posts that get deleted are advertising spam, porn, inappropriate images and/or any content that violates the ToU; this includes derogatory slam posts. This doesn't mean that people can't be negative (there are plenty of posts on the board like this), it's really down to the manner in which it is said. Further info here:
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http://forums.eidosgames.com/announcement.php?f=269&a=50)
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Also, it's amusing to see thiefessa asking for examples of censorship. Pretty tough to cite a post or thread when it's been completely removed, wouldn't you say? :laff:
I didn't ask for examples of censorship. I asked for examples from Dia, in response to the exaggerated nonsense that was posted about me. I can assure you that none of my own posts have been deleted... so that's why I'm waiting for links.
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
Finally, thiefessa, I told you to lurk more didnt I? :p
I never lurk. I prefer to read and post here, as I've always done. :p
jay pettitt on 18/1/2012 at 23:49
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there is a rants thread
That's not good.
thiefessa on 19/1/2012 at 00:24
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
That's not good.
Hehe. What's good about it is that it's all in one place, instead of being in every thread on the board. :cheeky:
jay pettitt on 19/1/2012 at 00:43
I don't think it needs saying that starting up an official 'community' forum and then not doing a thing to interact with it for years and years - not a hello or a cup of tea or a screenshot or anything - is dumb with chips on.
For Eidos/SquareEnix to then rely on community volunteers to do their damage limitation is suckier still.
But that doesn't alter the fact that a rants 'thread' is not good. It's sophistry to say that moving posts you don't like to a big bin isn't censoring them.
thiefessa on 19/1/2012 at 00:58
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
But that doesn't alter the fact that a rants 'thread' is not good. It's sophistry to say that moving posts you don't like to a big bin isn't censoring them.
It's not that we don't like them... we don't like them appearing randomly in other threads. Neither do other taffers who prefer their discussion threads to remain on topic.
The introduction to the rants thread explains as much:
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Rather than deleting unwanted repetitive complaint posts everywhere (and having certain individuals post false claims of censorship), we believe instead that a dedicated "complaint thread" would be the next best thing, to ensure that no-one feels muzzled.
jay pettitt on 19/1/2012 at 01:40
Saying something does not make it so. Plainly moving posts into a great big bin of incoherence is censoring them by another name.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for having forums that are well tended and aren't like wading through vomit. But heavy moderation is not a remedy for Eidos inviting people to join a fan community and then (rudely) ignoring them for 3 years.
thiefessa on 19/1/2012 at 02:25
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
Plainly moving posts into a great big bin of incoherence is censoring them by another name.
It isn't a bin, it's an independent thread like any other. It allows people's concerns to be heard and read, in one place which, in turn, allows other threads to stay on topic. Some may view this very typical procedure as censorship... but others see it as a fair and sensible compromise between those who want to rant and those who don't. Those who don't are allowed to continue their various discussions as per usual... those that do, can do so in the appropriate thread.
New Horizon on 19/1/2012 at 02:34
Quote Posted by thiefessa
Those who don't are allowed to continue their various discussions as per usual... those that do, can do so in the appropriate thread.
As long as they phrase their rants in a very specific fashion...otherwise they get deleted from the rant thread.
As you point out in the thread, a person can't say they feel that Eidos has behaved in a disgusting manner. This would be viewed as a slam and promptly deleted. From my experiences moderating Ion Storm, a slam is something far more severe, filled with hate and vitriol. I could see deleting a post if it said all of Eidos were a bunch of Donkey raping, crap eating, murderers...there is nothing rationale about that..but not for saying they feel disgusted with, disgusted by, or that the companies inaction is disgusting. They're two completely different levels. One is irrational, the other is not.
Renzatic on 19/1/2012 at 02:42
Quote Posted by New Horizon
could see deleting a post if it said all of Eidos were a bunch of Donkey raping, crap eating, murderers...there is nothing rationale about that..
Unless they do happen to be a bunch of donkey raping, crap eating murderers. Then it's just funny.
thiefessa on 19/1/2012 at 12:50
Quote Posted by New Horizon
As long as they phrase their rants in a very specific fashion...otherwise they get deleted from the rant thread.
As you point out in the thread, a person can't say they feel that Eidos has behaved in a disgusting manner.
As we tried to explain to you via PMs, we understand where you're coming from... but that you had taken this rule out of context. You are reading it like you can't say "Eidos has behaved in a disgusting manner", full stop. It's not quite like that. As we've said, its okay to be negative... it's about the manner in which it is said. Or, in other words, you can't say Eidos behaved in disgusting manner, in a disgusting manner, hehe. See what we mean?
