Hexfire on 20/1/2012 at 03:06
I've been lurking around the Thief and Fallout online communities for years and years - since 2000 or so - but never became a proper member of the sites because I wasn't very confident about my english skills (not my first language, evidently). Some time ago I've registered here and at t4.com, posted some of my thoughts there but never said anything here yet because... well, I don't know, after years reading your (all of your actually) posts, I'm
afraid I'd forgotten we haven't actually met yet.
Normally I'd never thought my first post would have some "rants" but here we go:
What you're doing with thiefessa here is an act of cowardice, all the members posting in the thread against a person that's repeatedly trying to estabilish a respectful relationship? What the f*** is going on, exactly? The private secret Thief fanclub against the evil intruder from Eidos Montreal? I'm really surprised that Thiefessa still has the patience to come back here to answer again and again. Oh and don't get me wrong, I'm not - by all means - an EM/T4 supporter, what Eidos/Square/whatever is doing is pure garbage, completely retarded (or should I say, nonexistent) marketing, zero effort in trying to create a link with the community... By far the worst development and worst studio's "stance" I have ever followed. All things considered, we already have a good number of reasons to avoid the purchase of this game and we haven't even seen its (possibly many) problems yet. Something tells me the end result will be more like a Dark Messiah 2 than a real Thief game. I also wouldn't be surprised if the entirety of the game's map will be smaller than a single TMA level. I mean, this is 2012, exploration is an ancient feature for old, boring people that can't understand the awesomeness of scripted, emotional and epic games :rolleyes:
However, Viktoria is just a moderator and has no power over EM's crap, she's just doing her job as a mod and actually doing some heavy juggle to try to keep that damn site from turning into a chaotic shithole - not that it's too far from becoming this, but still. She's obviously a loyal fan of the series and I always liked the fact that she play FMs, I really can't think of many moderators in other games' official forums that has this level of "knowledge" on the subject they're moderating. One could say that, if she's really "one of us" she should leave the post, but what's the point? Yeah, hire some random guy with zero knowledge on the series to replace Viktoria and to keep doing exactly what she's doing, what a splendid idea! The forums will surely shine if this happens.
I say stop aiming at Viktoria, she's a good mod and seems to be a nice person, but fell in the trap of being EM's moderator and has to administer the front line of this shit they somehow call "development" and "keeping in touch with the community". None of this would be happening if it wasn't for EM's incompetence and they're the one and only responsibles, not her.
Deleting posts sucks though.
Oh, about T4... I just removed the official site from my bookmarks, it's pointless anyway and I'm tired of this joke. We can only hope they show lots of respect to LGS's work. Good luck for those who will continue following this, but "Thief 4" is already giving me headaches. If I read "THI4F" again I'll probably have an aneurysm.
Goldmoon Dawn on 20/1/2012 at 04:35
I guess Im just saying that if you love someone, let them go. If they really love you in return, they will come back. But perhaps you are right. On the other hand, think of a mother and her child. You will defend that child whether they are right or wrong, and that is what TTLG represents for me. I think its a shame that these things have to be aired out in public like this, but... thats TTLG! thiefessa is probably a wonderful person and obviously reasonably intelligent, but she chooses to wear these shoes, and she must therefore fight to the end. Hopefully this will come to a peaceful resolve, but I doubt it. You say cowardice, I say honor.
Dia on 20/1/2012 at 04:43
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What you're doing with thiefessa here is an act of cowardice, all the members posting in the thread against a person that's repeatedly trying to estabilish a respectful relationship? What the f*** is going on, exactly?
Cowardice? Give me a break. Have you even read the posts in this thread from the beginning to present? Things had already gotten off on the wrong foot with thiefessa in a previous thread wherein she came across as rather duplicitous and immediately started imperiously demanding links from one of our members in good standing (by that I mean that we all know him well enough to value his credibility and honesty), even though she knew damned well those links had already been deleted. She then proceeded to twist the posts of others when they protested incidents, negative behavior of people in positions of authority, and issues which were rampant over at the EM forums, thereby deliberately obfuscating the original meaning of those posts. If you're trying to establish a 'respectful relationship', you don't start by trying to throw your weight around and behaving as though you think you're a mod in this forum (especially if you aren't). What's going on is that Viktoria's stepped on too many toes over at the EM forums and unfortunately for her, some of those toes belonged to TTLG members. And pretty much then tried to deny that there was anything like that going on over at EM; insinuating that all of those who protested and/or complained that there was heavy-handed censorship, etc., over there were prevaricating whiners or morons.
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The private secret Thief fanclub against the evil intruder from Eidos Montreal?
Seriously? No, I mean are you really serious? If you've done any lurking in any of the other TTLG forums, you'd know that the TTGL Thief forums have the nasty reputation of being rather mushy, gushy, and blindly welcoming of new members; noobs who'd otherwise most likely have the skin flamed off their very bones in any other forum. No secret fan club, sweetie. The Taffers here welcome one and all; until the trolling starts, that is.
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However, Viktoria is just a moderator and has no power over EM's crap, she's just doing her job as a mod and actually doing some heavy juggle to try to keep that damn site from turning into a chaotic shithole
That ship sailed a long time ago, hon. I honestly wish her the best in her endeavors to keep anarchy at bay over at EM: just don't start trying to use those gestapo tactics here at TTLG. They won't work. (Mainly because chaos is the usual state of things here .... and I mean that in the most affectionate sense. ;) )
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She's obviously a loyal fan of the series and I always liked the fact that she play FMs, I really can't think of many moderators in other games' official forums that has this level of "knowledge" on the subject they're moderating. One could say that, if she's really "one of us" she should leave the post, but what's the point? Yeah, hire some random guy with zero knowledge on the series to replace Viktoria and to keep doing exactly what she's doing, what a splendid idea! The forums will surely shine if this happens.
Nobody's questioning her loyalty as a Thief fan, ffs. General consensus seems to be that if you're here as a Taffer then act like it and stop trying to moderate - especially when it comes to our opinions of EM forums. Stop acting as though all is roses over at EM and that no blatant censorship, deleting of posts, etc. is going on especially when so many members here have experienced that very behavior for themselves there. If you've read any of the (TTLG) threads that even touched on EM's forums you'd realize that the overall sentiment here seems to be that most of us could care less if EM's forums go down the tubes.
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I say stop aiming at Viktoria, she's a good mod and seems to be a nice person, but fell in the trap of being EM's moderator and has to administer the front line of this shit they somehow call "development" and "keeping in touch with the community". None of this would be happening if it wasn't for EM's incompetence and they're the one and only responsibles, not her.
Oh ffs. She's pretty much been holding a gun to her own head and daring someone to pull the trigger. As far as her being a 'good mod'; well, that's a matter of opinion and I daresay there are quite a few of your fellow Taffers who'd vehemently disagree with you on that. What kind of 'good mod' deletes posts because the poster doesn't agree with the mod? You said it yourself: 'Deleting posts sucks though'. As I said before, I wish her well in trying to moderate and administer over at the EM forums. I do reiterate however, that whitewashing tactics and moderating methods that may be used at EM don't go over very well here. We've always appreciated and valued the open-mindedness of our TTLG mods and the fact that 'everyone's entitled to their opinion' seems to work.
All that being said, welcome to the Thief forums. I'm sure we all look forward to actually getting to know you.
Darkness_Falls on 20/1/2012 at 04:45
My next post was going to say I don't think it's nice to be harshly tag-team bullying Thiefessa like I've been seeing here. I hope more civil conversation arrives soon
Dia on 20/1/2012 at 04:54
Rant over. I'm done.
Goldmoon Dawn on 20/1/2012 at 05:00
Which is kinda sad, since this is some of your finest work to date. :cheeky:
thiefessa on 20/1/2012 at 10:17
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The majority actually appears... uhhh, "
Happy" to continue waiting?? That actually made me LOL! :D Thanks Thiefessa!
It's a term of phrase.... or in other words, not everybody is ranting about the lack of news. And this is true.
It doesn't make the news come any faster... so it makes sense not to get too frustrated.
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I'm afraid that if Thiefessa doesn't pass the torch to someone else soon, she could end up ambivalent to Thief.
Don't be afraid. Nothing will stop me loving Thief. If that was the case, I'd have given up after TDS.
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...but she chooses to wear these shoes, and she must therefore fight to the end.
I'm not fighting any corner for EM though. I've said this on numerous occasions now.
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Cowardice? Give me a break. Have you even read the posts in this thread from the beginning to present?
Obviously he has, and formed his own conclusions.
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Things had already gotten off on the wrong foot with thiefessa in a previous thread wherein she came across as rather duplicitous and immediately started imperiously demanding links from one of our members in good standing (by that I mean that we all know him well enough to value his credibility and honesty), even though she knew damned well those links had already been deleted.
More exaggerrated nonsense. Its much fairer to provide the link to the thread you speak of, then people can read for themselves what was said... not your account of what was said. Big difference.
Here you go:
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http://ttlg.ttlg.mobi/forums/showthread.php?t=134967&page=11)
So, not quite the melodrama you portray it as... and none of the said posts had been deleted.
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you don't start by trying to throw your weight around and behaving as though you think you're a mod in this forum (especially if you aren't). What's going on is that Viktoria's stepped on too many toes over at the EM forums and unfortunately for her, some of those toes belonged to TTLG members. And pretty much then tried to deny that there was anything like that going on over at EM; insinuating that all of those who protested and/or complained that there was heavy-handed censorship, etc., over there were prevaricating whiners or morons.
More nonsense. The only person throwing their weight around is you, I come to TTLG as a regular member.
I haven't stepped on toes as you put it, or ever insinuated that people are whiners and morons. I may have had to reprimand someone like you, for example, for unnecessarily being rude to other members. That's the job of a moderator.
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I honestly wish her the best in her endeavors to keep anarchy at bay over at EM: just don't start trying to use those gestapo tactics here at TTLG. They won't work. (Mainly because chaos is the usual state of things here .... and I mean that in the most affectionate sense. ;) )
There is no real "anarchy" on the official forum that I have noticed.
Can you give an example of my "gestapo tactics" as you put it.
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Nobody's questioning her loyalty as a Thief fan, ffs. General consensus seems to be that if you're here as a Taffer then act like it and stop trying to moderate...
You have a fixation on the fact that I'm a moderator elsewhere. As I have said on numerous occasions, I'm in this thread to answer any questions about EM's ToU.
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Oh ffs. She's pretty much been holding a gun to her own head and daring someone to pull the trigger. As far as her being a 'good mod'; well, that's a matter of opinion and I daresay there are quite a few of your fellow Taffers who'd vehemently disagree with you on that. What kind of 'good mod' deletes posts because the poster doesn't agree with the mod? You said it yourself: 'Deleting posts sucks though'.
Nonsense. No moderator deletes a post because it didn't agree with the mod, lol. Only posts that violate the ToU get deleted. I've said this repeatedly.
I would like to assure everyone that I don't have any worries or fears about posting here. Keeping it in context, only a few people seem to want to rant on me... and its nothing I didn't expect or can't handle. If they are ex EM forum members who may have been banned - then this was done for GOOD reason, in accordance with the ToU.
Actually, this is a good one to clear up. Thank you. It is a huge misconception to believe that one single moderator makes a decision to ban a member. This is definitely not the case. It is a decision that is discussed with the entire moderator team and Admin. The only people that are instantly banned without further consultation are those who post advertising spam and porn links/images etc.
To conclude. If there is anyone else here who has a "problem" with moderation at EMs forum... I'm sure they can speak for themselves. I have already invited them to post and ask questions.
Goldmoon Dawn on 20/1/2012 at 13:30
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I come to TTLG as a regular member. I haven't stepped on toes as you put it, or ever insinuated that people are whiners and morons. I may have had to reprimand someone like you, for example, for unnecessarily being rude to other members. That's the job of a moderator.
But... but.... but !!!!!!
I see now that this is futile. Until you can get your multiple personalities under control, this is clearly going to keep spinning around and around. Noone is going to win this argument with you, as you obviously love this kind of stuff. You arent as innocent as you portray yourself. When you are caught by someone who isnt "in the know", you spin it into a humorous web as if we should have known all along. You forget about the losses, and you exaggerate the wins.
Gingerbread Man on 20/1/2012 at 16:02
The hell is going on in here? I came to read about how hilarious Thief 4 was going to be and all I find are Other People's Moderators peeing on my carpet.
Anyone remember the last time I got all authoritarian up in here? thiefessa cut it out.
Linda's dealing with a personal thing, so guess who is minding the shop for a bit?
Hint: Me.
Jenuall on 20/1/2012 at 16:59
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The hell is going on in here? I came to read about how hilarious Thief 4 was going to be and all I find are Other People's Moderators peeing on my carpet.
Anyone remember the last time I got all authoritarian up in here?
thiefessa cut it out.Linda's dealing with a personal thing, so guess who is minding the shop for a bit?
Hint: Me.
With respect I think thiefessa has been the much more reasonable party here.
Now I don't know the backstory to this but all I see are a few members attacking another for very little reason. And all I see thiefessa doing in return is asking for clarification of what exactly they feel she has done wrong.
