jtr7 on 16/1/2009 at 11:01

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Only just found this, even though I've done searches for "Dark Camelot" and "Better Red Than Undead" several times before.:tsktsk:

There's part of another Interview with Doug Church, as well as a link to the Kieron Gillen interview above, plus a plug for the book the interview portion was excerpted from:

(http://www.adventuregamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9683)

Beleg Cúthalion on 5/3/2009 at 07:35

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Steampunk, according to my best friend Wikipedia, is dystopic by definition. Just those pictures from classical Victorian Era Steampunk with air ships and bright skies might spoil this image.

Oh, and just to be hairsplitting: Witches were condemned by courts of law, at least in Germany (and I believe we got the most witches :p). There might have been a religious feeling of justice, but it was no issue of the church (left aside that the (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malleus_Maleficarum) Witch Hammer was written by a monk afraid of women). Funnily, in Spain, where believing in witches was, according to the canon episcopi, forbidden, the desire for violence went into the inquisition.

In one more attempt to ask for more depth in FMs: Why do we hear so little about religiousness in the public, why is the "Builder belief" to restricted to the Hammerites and small chapels in mansions?

jtr7 on 5/3/2009 at 09:17

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The nobility put on airs about many things, perhaps they keep their beliefs closeted, or maybe even just personal. It's hard to tell if all the available seats in the mansion chapels are actually ever filled, or if it's just for show to keep within the Hammers' good graces:
[INDENT]"M09B05: [Truart,] I know well that thy father [Iblis Truart] was a loyal supporter in time gone by. Most greatly did we appreciate his generosity in building the chapel upon Truart Estate, where mine brethren and myself did give praise to the Builder. However, the worship of the Builder has come forward while thy chapel dost remain in the past, for its walls and panels art still decked in the symbols of our old ways. For one who hast renounced these antique trappings, such things are deeply offensive. Thou must think strongly upon replacing them with the more modern and appropriate symbols of the present age.
-Brother Tickspring"[/INDENT]

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[INDENT]MISCB18: "Friends-
Know thou that our Lord Karras was most disappointed by the attendance at his sermon two nights past. Though thine own faces were well seen, it is not sufficient in the Builder's eyes for thee to come alone. Know that all of
thee must not only attend in thine own person, but must seek to bring as many of the city's elite as thou canst turn the ear of. Master Karras desires this patronage, and I know his disciples shalt not disappoint."[/INDENT]

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[INDENT]mc10604D: (Wondering at) "Thou wert not with the Hammer before?"
mc20604E: "Nay. Those brothers wert always too stern and righteous, for my choice. And they turned their faces away from our Lord Karras when he spoke of progress. When I heard of the great works he had made since he left them, I came."[/INDENT]

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[INDENT]hm1c1401: "Time was all these halls would be close-packed with novices, striving to learn our teachings."
hm3c1402: "There are novices still!"
hm1c1403: "But fewer brother, fewer. Youths in this time seek to learn about gold and politics, not honest craft."
hm3c1404: "'Twill be their loss when they come of age and know not how to accomplish aught of consequence."[/INDENT]


Hmmm. How DID Constantine get this GENUINE letter of introduction? By killing the original carrier, perhaps?
[INDENT]M10HallPass: "As approved by his Eminence, the High Priest Markander, we deliver unto you this Novice, under the standard agreement of service. The Novice is sent with full status and training as such, and should serve with humility and vigor to the best of his skills. He will endure a standard three-year contract of service, at the end of which he will be considered for indoctrination as an Elevated Acolyte.

The novice has been instructed in the rules and strictures of the Order, has sworn his warrants to be silent in his vigils, and knows to maintain the marked privacies (as indicated by the standard inverted red hammer sigil).

Please remit periodic evaluations of his conduct, as warranted or at six-month intervals.

May the Hammer fall on the unrighteous.

Officially,
Brother Sachelman"[/INDENT]

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[INDENT]M06B06: "Lord Karras:

Your sermon was so inspiring. I never thought of it that way, to be a little cog, floating around in a big boiler. SO warm and toasty, you see? Please accept my compliments, and do tell me you will come to the dinner we are having on Saturday.

Lady Einhorn"[/INDENT]

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Alyssa Hurley was called a "pious woman who dost attend services most regular."

There's the unused conversation between the Mechanist Priest and Masked Servant, about finally replacing Father Norell to "attend to Norell's former flock," because "There was naught he could do for these people, save lead them into the muck that mires his own mind."

There's also the "Benny" snorings where he mutters "Builder" in his sleep, and "Builder...bless me..."


[INDENT]AULhammerleaflet: :D "Citizens- Art thou aware there are heathens in thy midst? Didst thou know the Master Builder judges all? Dost thou give thanks oft enough? If thou answered yea or nay to any of the above, then thou needs must attend our services. Thy very soul dost depend upon it! The Brothers of the Order of the Hammer"[/INDENT]

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[INDENT]g5_obs_hammer1: "Just don't give me none of that 'Builder' stuff."[/INDENT]
[INDENT]p4_obs_hammer1: (Singsong, under his breath, mockingly) "'Builder bes help me, builder bes help me'-- Oooh."[/INDENT]
[INDENT]g1_obs_hammer1: "Builder bless you, or however you guys say."[/INDENT]
[INDENT]s2_obs_hammer_friend1: "Builder watch over me too."[/INDENT]
[INDENT]rmzbod_1: "Builder's Gold! An assassin! Guards, guards!"[/INDENT]
[INDENT]Truart: "Yes...I'm glad your Builder guides you, but it would make me feel even more confident if you were to let me in on your...whole scheme."[/INDENT]


No such love for the Woodsie Lord.

jtr7 on 3/5/2009 at 08:19

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Sometimes I just spend too much time looking one way that I fail to see something in the other direction.

I know "Modred" is a fairly common spelling for "Mordred", but I can't believe it's never been pointed out that it's an anagram of "dromed". :p

And "modder". A Google search for DromEd with Modred found one guy with it on his list. Do we know who he is?
(http://www.malfunction.org/erik/arkiv/anagrams.html)

While I'm at it, Mordred is half-brother to Gareth, heh, but that's really pushing it.

jtr7 on 3/5/2009 at 10:31

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Meaning, you don't think it was intentional? Me either.:)


So what's wrong with a happy triad of coincidences?