Herr_Garrett on 3/5/2009 at 15:06
Nice one, Dante, and I wholly agree with you. The Hammerites aren't bloody-minded and bloodthirsty Crusaders and Inquisitors with hammers. While I'm no Christian, and I personally hate them, 'tis a historical fact that they weren't so. Crusading and genocide is part of the world, and is still quite a popular pastime, so you can't condemn it anyway.
But aye, the Hammers are technologially progressive, only in a safe way. Moreover they seem to be the only ones who actually know how to keep order in the City. While they may torture people, they don't do anything inhuman unto them, like the Mechanists do.
Someone here mentioned how the Pagans and the Hammers seem to have switched up their deities. I think not that it's true, but there seem to be a great numbers or similarities between the twain religions. For one, they both have their powerful and expressing speech (I for my part love EME anyway), a strict hierarchical structure, aims and goals that are beyond the immediate future and indeed beyond the City's limits (physical/spiritual), and believe that the world has some sort of meaning. If you like Pagans, you must love Hammers as well and vice versa.
Dante on 4/5/2009 at 00:43
Quote Posted by Herr_Garrett
While I'm no Christian, and I personally hate them, 'tis a historical fact that they weren't so.
Careful how you word that, because I
am. You don't want me to rage against you like I did to some other guy who worded it that way (as opposed to "I personally hate Christianity"). :D:p
Quote:
Crusading and genocide is part of the world, and is still
quite a popular pastime, so you can't condemn it anyway.
:laff::laff::laff:
Seriously, my main beef isn't with people's perception of the Crusades so much as their misunderstanding of why they originated. But I'll stop derailing the thread.
I love how synchronized the laugh smileys are.
This thread makes me want to go back and play the games all the way through just for plot's sake. I love the convoluted, long-term battle the Hammers and Pagans are constantly fighting (the Hammers replacing Garrett's lost eye was an absolutely brilliant twist), and I love even more how the Keepers are gaming the system all along ("All is as it was written ...").
Stath MIA on 4/5/2009 at 02:38
No, the Hammers aren't the blood-thirsty monsters that some make them out to be. Actually if you look at it, they are the only faction which hasn't attempted to destroy the world:
Pagans=The Dark Project; Mechanists=Rust Gas; Keepers=Gamal+Enforcers:cheeky:!
I have good amount of respect for them, they may be brutal but they keep the peace, without them the City would be a much more corrupt place (look at the police in T2), but then again I am a Republican so I may be somewhat prejudiced towards such harsh penalties for crimes:cheeky:.
Beleg Cúthalion on 4/5/2009 at 07:32
In fact almost everybody here must be radical due to the Steampunk aesthetics. :p Honestly, I'm one of the campaigners of character complexity...
Bulgarian_Taffer on 4/5/2009 at 08:41
By the way, what are your favourite factions of all these?
Mine is the Hammerites, and I like less the Keepers and least the Pagans.
FriendlyStranger on 4/5/2009 at 09:02
Dark Camelot? Now I finally understand what this little golden robot/kid in Angelwatch is - that's a reference to Mordred. There is a certain movie about Camelot etc. in which they fight Morgana (the Witch) and her son Mordred. Mordred wears a golden armor, almost identical to this little robot. The little golden kid always reminded me of this movie, but I never thought it could have been related to this movie, since why should they add Mordred in... but now it makes sense - as a reminder of their initial plans for Thief = Dark Camelot.
The movie is called "Excalibur" (1981) I think.
cool
Bulgarian_Taffer on 4/5/2009 at 09:08
There's something more - the editor is still called DromEd = The Dromedary CAMEL
jtr7 on 4/5/2009 at 09:09
Yeah, the Dromedary CAMELot connection that is somehow better than Modred/Modder/DromEd, when it's all good.
I relate with the concept of the early Keepers the most, and back in the early 1980's had a secret club (like so many children), and once I became an adult graduated from school, I found I had a love of random information gathering and the study of minutiae. I love browsing writings and finding as much meaning in it as I can, while seeking the authors' true intentions to ground my ideas. I believe the signs I see everywhere about life and purpose never lie, yet know perceptions can be cruelly deceiving and cloud future judgments and decisions.
I can relate to the Hammerites desire for self-control in myself and the desire for others to be mindful of their actions, honest about them, and control themselves more as a way to enlightened thinking, while also promoting creative construction, or constructive creativity, for the joy of it and for the community good. I consider my work, the way only I can perform it and when free to do my best, a form of worship.
I relate to the Pagans' desire to be isolated and left alone with their lifestyle and their work. I like to be unhindered to enjoy my hobbies (I can share my Thief-rooted hobbies here at TTLG) and wish to have more nature around me. I desire to be allowed to work my best without outsiders' or others' hang-ups or vindictiveness. I don't get along with the cheating greeders and competitive cityheads. I like to work at a slower pace because, well, I cannot work much faster. I like it when I am fulfilling my nature, which includes taking the time to smell the roses.
FriendlyStranger on 4/5/2009 at 09:51
@Favourite Faction: Clearly the Mechanists - the machines had the coolest chants. ^^
Herr_Garrett on 4/5/2009 at 18:50
Quote Posted by Dante
Careful how you word that, because I
am. You don't want me to rage against you like I did to some other guy who worded it that way (as opposed to "I personally hate Christianity"). :D:p
So? You can hate me! :cheeky: Anyway, this is for PMs.
My favourite faction be the Order of the Hammer. If they existed, I'd join them immediately.
