Kolya on 10/12/2010 at 13:33
You're clearly underestimating the weight of a Disney script. Seen Burton's Alice?
I'm a big fan of the Dude myself, but in terms of good acting I'm looking forward to True Grit. What I expect of TRON Legacy are huge effects, awesome music and many pretty colours. Vast black planes, cut by searing white-blueish lines and red-hot-orangy cores, like the whole scenery was thought up by machines and then written by lasers into solid data blocks. And that's what I want.
SubJeff on 10/12/2010 at 16:45
Yeah, me too, but it does have some solid actors in it, as did the original.
Also - my bad; the entire soundtrack is on Spotify after all. :thumb: You have to find under Daft Punk though, and not under Tron.
Eldron on 11/12/2010 at 13:51
You mean its heavy foundation on special effects? :)
The precursor to modern cgi heavy movies, a work of art too, with the tools they had back then.
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In the year it was released, the Motion Picture Academy refused to nominate Tron for special effects because "they said we 'cheated' when we used computers which, in the light of what happened, is just mind-boggling".
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Ken Perlin of the Mathematical Applications Group, Inc. won an Academy Award for Technical Achievement for his invention of Perlin noise for Tron.
Wow, I actually had no idea the perlin noise came from this.
bukary on 28/12/2010 at 11:56
So... has anyone seen it? What's the verdict?
Sgt_BFG on 28/12/2010 at 12:08
it's good man
Queue on 28/12/2010 at 14:32
Compelling, cohesive story, fine acting, and beautiful scenery. Yup, True Grit was wonderful... Best Jeff Bridges film of the year.
I'm sorry, but Tron: Legacy proves what I've said before, that the audience will force themselves to like anything just because they want to like it regardless of whether it's actually a good movie or not. Which it wasn't.
the_grip on 28/12/2010 at 15:07
I saw Tron Legacy last night... it is a fun movie to watch if you are a Tron kid (which I am... grew up watching the original at least about five times plus played the video games at arcades, etc.). It ties in well in a loose sense to the original Tron, and I like the Hollywood-Zen theme they bring into it as well as the other themes.
The plot is very simple and could be told in a paragraph and there is zero meaningful dialogue or plot twists. But of course, Tron Legacy is not supposed to be about rich plot as much as it is a rebirth of the original Tron world plus a whole bunch of new stuff that is much easier with modern technology and effects. The one plus on the plot scorecard is that, while it is the typical "good guys in white" vs. "the bad guys in black" styled movie (although here it is blue vs. red, of course), there is some gray area in terms of the good vs. bad which makes it slightly more interesting. More of that would have made the movie quite a bit better.
Just don't expect much in the way of tickling your intellect and you will likely enjoy it. It's a fun movie.
Queue on 28/12/2010 at 16:15
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Just don't expect much in the way of tickling your intellect and you will likely enjoy it. It's a fun movie.
But shouldn't all films have (or at least try to have) a good story? Otherwise, what's the point? Without a story, there is no reason to make a movie. Without somesort of involved plot, we are dragging cinema back to the days of sitting around watching flickering images of a dancing lady shown on a sheet. It becomes novelty. Hell, if you just want to see 3D pictures, you can go to the mall and stare at one of those silly holograms until your eyes cross for less than the price of a ticket.
Don't get me wrong. Eye-candy for the sake of eye-candy is not bad. It's fun! But why can't films be both? Is it that hard to make a film with spectacular effects and immersive qualities, yet give it some depth? Or, is it calculated because doing a film without depth is easier and guaranteed to make more money by simply entertaining an easily confused audience. And I don't mean that every film has to be Bergman, but it does seem, from over the years of films not having much depth, that many filmgoers are dullards when it comes to their ability to comprehend a film that does have any sort of a plot along with the eye-candy.
Take, Inception. There was absolutely no reason for anyone to be confused by that one. It was very straightforward, nearly simplistic, and completely spelled out in what was going on. Yet, the common response from the audience is: I had no idea what was going on, it blew my mind. Why? Hell, anyone should have been able to see where it was going, and even predict the semi-ambiguous ending with the spinning top taking a little wobble. It was all leading up to that moment!
Now here's the paradox, Inception made a shit ton of money because people
didn't comprehend. Go figure. So it's a perfect example of why filmmakers have no reason to not make a film with both effects and plot, something for everyone. If it's done well, everyone will come. Quit making films that pander to those with intelligence and attention span of a child. The only reason I can think of in not doing so is pure laziness. And for that, a filmmaker should not be forgiven.
As for TRON.... The CGI-- 3D-- whatever was fantastic. No doubt about it, it was very well done. The kids squealed with delight. But, the film as a whole was like watching a kitten playing with its tail--lots of fun and fairly exciting at first, then increasingly boring and eventually annoying because all the cat's doing is chasing its tail. And it won't stop until you kick it.
the_grip on 28/12/2010 at 16:48
Queue, I do get where you are coming from. You are right in that there is also quite a bit of confusion as to the plot for Tron by most folks as well. I had to explain the plot again to my wife afterwards (she is very intelligent and got most of it, but without the background of the original movie it is somewhat confusing as a bunch of stuff comes at your quickly at times). I think most mainstream moviegoers (where the $$ are) are generally wanting the effects and everything spoon-fed to them, but it's hard to spoon-feed when they are drooling over effects.
That said, I don't think Tron was *completely* devoid of plot. I like the way they brought in the Isos and that whole premise and the Clu vs. Flynn development was at least entertaining.
All that said, I do wish the plot would have been better. I 100% agree that it could have been worlds better. At the same time, I don't think it was the suckiest movie ever made. I would put it on the shelf next to Transformers... fun to watch, brings out the kid in you, but could have been a much MUCH better movie. Worth the time for a once through, I'd think.
Queue on 28/12/2010 at 17:04
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Worth the time for a once through, I'd think.
While I don't disagree with that (every film should be given a chance before passing judgment--and I was dumb enough to go see The Last Airbender), I think a lot of filmmakers, and I'm speaking beyond the merits of TRON by looking at an ever increasing numbers of films being produced that seem to follow this, are banking on that sort of sentiment from viewers. Instead of actually trying to make a good film, they try to make a good opening weekend box-office. And, if you get enough people to watch it just once then you've made some mad cash and it's time to start preparing for the sequel.
[edit] Having said that, I anxiously look forward to Hitman 2.
