Thirith on 14/11/2012 at 12:38
Quote Posted by PigLick
The ending was utter shite compared to what had gone before, my first playthrough I had built a more social skills kind of character, and then the end was like a huge dungeon crawl with annoyingly hard monsters so I ended up using health cheats to finish the game. The first 75% though was very good.
Definitely agree with this. It may also be the main reason why I'm not as big fan of the game as many here, the ending leaving too bad a taste in my mouth. I play these games primarily for the dialogues, characters and social/story choices, so the ending felt like utter crap - more so even than something as compromised as
KotOR 2's ending.
SeriousCallersOnly on 14/11/2012 at 15:01
Quote Posted by Thirith
Definitely agree with this. It may also be the main reason why I'm not as big fan of the game as many here, the ending leaving too bad a taste in my mouth. I play these games primarily for the dialogues, characters and social/story choices, so the ending felt like utter crap - more so even than something as compromised as
KotOR 2's ending.
The clan quest mod adds ways to avoid the two 'big' late game dungeons (except the ending sequences themselves i guess).
I generally play a mix of clan + a extra discipline from console hackery (it's possible).
Celerity is definitly the i win button, but obfuscate is also nice.
One of my favorites is naturally the malkavian+celerity girl, though it doesn't really work correctly (the malk ponytail misbehaves with celerity). I also do a brujah+obfuscate but brujah is one of the boring clans (i do change the brujah skin to (
http://planet-vampire.net/modules/files/view.php?id=606) this)
The clans with the most different content are malks, nossies and (distant) tremere. The clan quest mod adds some other things to do, but it kinda suffers from inconsistent quality/voice acting. Some of it is extremely good, some is let down by unwise 'animation' sequences, or poor quality voice capture.
It's a pity the ressurgence project is in torpor, the modding tools for hl2 would inject life into the game again.
WingedKagouti on 14/11/2012 at 15:19
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
But it is perfectly fine to do a first time playthrough as a Malkavian. I did so and found that the story and narrative are fully understandable. My theory is that the common recommendation to not do so is made by dyslexics.
The most pressing argument for not playing Malk first is to have a reason to replay the game. The other clans are quite frankly boring in comparison.
Yakoob on 14/11/2012 at 19:30
Quote Posted by Thirith
Definitely agree with this. It may also be the main reason why I'm not as big fan of the game as many here, the ending leaving too bad a taste in my mouth. I play these games primarily for the dialogues, characters and social/story choices, so the ending felt like utter crap - more so even than something as compromised as
KotOR 2's ending.
Do you mean the endgame sequence or the actual ending? The last 20% of the game are indeed known to be crap almost opposite to the whole game before it (funny how many great games suffer from that). But the ending itself, I thought, was awesome; especially when there's like five different ones! And it's one of the few games bold enough to not always go for the happy-go-lucky-everything-worked-out ending too :p
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The most pressing argument for not playing Malk first is to have a reason to replay the game. The other clans are quite frankly boring in comparison.
Well I played Malk first and still replayed the game like 4 times. [/anecdotalevidence] Imho, between the rich world, multitude of sidequests, different paths to follow and endings, there's plenty of room for replay value regardless of the character.
Pyrian on 14/11/2012 at 23:25
I was very glad to have max celerity for the final ~20%. There were whole sections full of baddies I just ran through. Since I've never actually completed a subsequent playthrough, I'm still having some difficulty imagining how one gets through the game without celerity.
SeriousCallersOnly on 15/11/2012 at 01:43
Somethings you may not have noticed in your 1rst playthrough:
1 ) There are 'stealth' kills animations per weapon (some are 'comic')
2 ) humanity affects some dialogs
Phatose on 15/11/2012 at 02:59
Quote Posted by Pyrian
I was very glad to have max celerity for the final ~20%. There were whole sections full of baddies I just ran through. Since I've never actually
completed a subsequent playthrough, I'm still having some difficulty imagining how one gets through the game
without celerity.
Guns. IIRC, you can actually get guns 5 without spending a single XP on it, and late game guns rip stuff apart.
Chimpy Chompy on 15/11/2012 at 10:06
My first run through through was a Toreador, and I managed to totally ignore Celerity. Because I am clearly terrible at optimising RPG characters. But I found the Dungeon of Endless Chinese Vampires to be not super-difficult, just a chore. I think like Phatose says I must have had lots of gun skills.
Got to admit, of half a dozen later characters I only bothered taking 2 or 3 to the conclusion.
Pyrian on 16/11/2012 at 18:05
Quote Posted by Phatose
Guns.
Yeah, I think I had max celerity and max guns, and it was still kind of a grind, but not too bad.
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
But I found the Dungeon of Endless Chinese Vampires to be not super-difficult, just a chore.
Those guys were harmless (favorite memory was sneaking through and having them bust out of walls right next to me on trigger, but not find me), but I found their boss was tough. I try to imagine beating her (or "batman" for that matter) with melee and no celerity and I'm like, "How?" And I'm pretty sure dementia won't work on them, either.
DDL on 16/11/2012 at 18:15
I don't think I ever played through as a clan with celerity (Tremere, Malk, a half-assed Gangrel that I gave up on because Malk was too much fun, Malk again), but melee always came down to "get the amazing magic sword". The location of it seems to switch around but you should usually have it by that point and then it's just a matter of hacking and flailing like a spastic until all her limbs fall off. I imagine it's just...faster with celerity. :P
