theBishop on 26/10/2008 at 18:14
My computer does not like darloader one bit.... the first mission i ever loaded to play with darkloader still plays no matter if I uninstall darkloader or the mission...Even when i try to load in the original thief 2 it still plays the first mission i have ever loaded in with darkloader!!!!!
It will actually give me the original opening menu to thief 2, then the mission objectives to another mission, and play another mission....its confusing....:confused:
Now it does play thief 2 just wont unload the first mission i even put in with darkloader!
Has anyone ever come across this problem??? if so how do you fix it!!!!
Windows Vista Ultimate Service Pack 1
3.00 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
Motherboard--- M2N32-SLI DELUXE
Telliamed on 27/10/2008 at 05:22
Don't install Darkloader (or Thief, or most anything that's older than three years) in the Program Files when using Vista.
For various other reasons, the recommended location for Thief &c is [drive]:\GAMES\... ("drive" can be C or D or whatever is convenient for you.)
Kin on 27/10/2008 at 06:58
I have created another "program files" folder in my second partition (D:) of the disk and install everything there and i keep the first partition for vista (C:vista D:storage). This way everything works fine
potterr on 27/10/2008 at 12:18
Vistas Application Virtualization and User Access Control causes major issues with DarkLoader and GarrettLoader as both programs are designed to manipulate another programs program files folder (i.e. Thief installs) to install FMs, however Microsoft doesn't want that to happen. Application Virtualization will force FMs to be installed not actually into your Thief game folders (if installed into Program Files) but into something like C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\thief.
So what that then means is that when you have installed an FM, you haven't actually installed an FM as some files go into the program files folder and some go into the virtual store. The other problem here is it also depends upon what access level you install your FMs at. If for any reason you installed an FM as an admin on the PC or any other user you will end up with the FM being partially installed under that user account C:\Users\username\.... so if you log on as another user DL and GL won't be able to tell if there is another FM installed as likely their install manifests are installed in the previous users virtual store which of course you won't be able to see. Where as if you install as an admin AND allow vista to let DL/GL run with admin privileges, its likely that the FM actually gets installed into the program files folder, however run DL/GL without privileges or run not as an admin and your FM installs go back into the virtual store but Thief will see the files in the Program Files folder.
Complete and utter nightmare, especially if you have multiple user accounts on the PC.
As Telliamed mentioned DON'T install your thief games in a program files folder (even on another drive its possible that the same application virtualization will occur).
Install all the games DL and the extra games GL supports in a [drive]:\GAMES\ folder (e.g. C:\games\thief2\).
Also install DarkLoader and GarrettLoader into the same place (e.g. C:\games\Darkloader or c:\games\GarrettLoader), this isn't quite so important for DarkLoader but GarrettLoaders auto updates will have some problems updating itself in the program files folder.
SlyFoxx on 27/10/2008 at 12:37
Wow. Just gotta love progress eh?:erg:
bikerdude on 27/10/2008 at 12:57
afternoon
I have run vista and xp and my Thief games folder is as follows:
D:\Games\Thief\DL = Darkloader
D:\Games\Thief\GL = Garretloader
D:\Games\Thief\T1 = Thief 1
D:\Games\Thief\T2 = Thief 2
D:\Games\Thief\T3 = Thief 3
I have never had any problems like the ones your describing, but perhaps thats because I have never installed games in the program files folder....
That said I only use GL these days, as I play TDS/TDM games which DL cannot support.
biker
potterr on 27/10/2008 at 13:44
Quote Posted by SlyFoxx
Wow. Just gotta love
progress eh?:erg:
Its part of the reason why Vista didn't do so well as the UAC really, really bugs people. Although most people know nothing of the application virtualization (which also does the registry as well). Apparently Windows 7 is supposed to ease off on it somewhat (as well as have a kind of VMWare built in so you may be able to run thief in virtual XP environments on it natively).
theBishop on 27/10/2008 at 16:42
Thats makes alot of sense will do it right now thanks
Now thief 2 crashes after the intro...and darkloader will not install the thief fms... I fixed this once... I feel like such a taffer
Only thing i can think of is that my NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS is not handling thief 2's codec
potterr on 27/10/2008 at 21:40
If you re-installed thief remember to change your DarkLoader settings and ddfix thief if you need to (possibly set the affinity of thief2.exe and thief2.icd as well).
sNeaksieGarrett on 28/10/2008 at 04:27
Quote Posted by Bikerdude
I have never had any problems like the ones your describing, but perhaps thats because I have never installed games in the program files folder....
Interesting, because lots of games typically want you to install them in program files, and it also makes some logical sense, considering the folder is called
program files. Though I can say that I have installed most games in a "Games" folder, and only some games have been installed under program files. Guess it really depends on your tastes.:) I also noticed that it seems like certain games do not like being installed on anything but the boot partition. Seems safer to install on the boot partition (usually C:\)
