catbarf on 3/7/2012 at 04:14
What worries me more than the head position is the legs. Those Marines must have some ridiculously wide hips to be able to fit in that suit.
Sg3 on 3/7/2012 at 04:37
Space Marine, in general, has good graphics, an engaging story, and interesting (if not particularly dynamic) characters. The level design is extreme corridor, and somewhat repetitive, but the gameplay is quite fun--except for online. Never mind the "let's make it even harder on the new folks than it already has to be" weapon unlocks, or the dodgy balance of some of the perks (Iron Halo being the major culprit, but not the only one)--the real problem is net lag.
The netcode is atrocious. Truly, truly miserable. I have played hundreds of games--have been gaming for over two dozen years--and I have never seen a game with anywhere near this much lag. There is, literally, about five times more lag in Space Marine than in any other game I've played. Playing with the same people with whom I have only 150 ping in other games, I have a full 750 ping's worth of lag in SM.
Yep, we're talking about an average lag of half a second or more, and that's when you aren't fighting the Russians. Got an Australian friend on? We're looking at a full second of lag. Jump behind that cover, but it won't matter, because you'll be killed a second after you're in safety by his bullets which are flying past outside. Dodge that chainsword, but it won't matter because you'll take damage even though it missed you by a full fifteen feet. (Actually, I was often killed by a hammer which never came closer to me than thirty feet away.)
Throw in a horrid interface which doesn't allow you to choose which server to join, doesn't allow you to kick players from games that you host, has no chatlog and no way of seeing what the server options are, and makes you mute every VOIP screamer by hand (VOIP is on by default, with no volume slider, no "mute all" function, and--worse--no way of muting someone unless they are actively talking at that moment), and you have a game which has good graphics, gameplay, and story, but is ultimately not worth playing online.
Would I have bought Space Marine if I'd known it was going to be like that? Probably not. I enjoyed the single player, and I even enjoyed the multiplayer for a few weeks--I griped about the issues, but the novelty of the game (combined with the game's positive aspects) balanced it out for a while. But when the novelty dies down, the negative outweighs the good. +5 novelty +5 gameplay -7 shitty netcode = net +3. Nix the novelty factor: +5 gameplay -7 shitty netcode = net -2. The occasional moments of multiplayer fun aren't worth the hours of teeth-grinding stress of the laggy bullshit.
DDL on 3/7/2012 at 06:15
Quote Posted by dethtoll
I don't want to feel embarrassed showing 40k to female friends because female characters are consistently portrayed with tits the size of a nuclear missile.
I think your assumption that any woman will look at the entirety of the 40K range (featuring, after all, 10 or more wholly discrete 'races', only three of them human/former human) and dismiss the entire thing out of hand because "
ugh, look at those tits"...is about the most sexist thing I've read in this thread thus far. Is that really how you think women think? Or do you just have ...embarassingly shallow female friends?
In all honesty, I don't think 'portray women as sex objects' ever really features on the GW agenda. It's based on table-top wargaming, after all. You can dismiss that aspect as not being 'all important anymore', but it's still the fundamental underpinning of the entire enterprise.
Male figures are hard-bitten horrible giant hulking dudes who murder people, female figures are hard-bitten horrible giant hulking dudes (with tits) who murder people. Gender is fairly irrelevant. Very little "roll 2D6 to launch a pickup line". The Adeptus sororitas are essentially 'Combat
Nuns', ffs. Unless you're accusing GW of having a fairly specific fetish, they're about the most sexless archetype for an all-female organisation they could pick.
From the (admittedly few) spin-off books I've read (in my defense, I wanted easily-digestible pulp for a long plane flight), this theme continues: no sex, or even romance, it's just straight up murder murder murder.
Given how hilariously bleak the 40K universe is, I'm amazed anyone ever even gets around to having sex at all (and even then they probably get set on fire by an inquistor for "having fun").
So really, unless you're getting all your 40K artwork from deviantArt, I'm not seeing this whole sex-focus thing. It literally appears to be "GW artwork breaches dethtoll's arbitrary tit-size tolerance threshold", and that's
all.
EDIT: Fafhrd, that is an
awesome link. I like the idea of unarmoured space marines looking less like supermen and more like awkward slabs of meat. I'd still guess that terminator armour is impractical (even the basic power armour looks to be awful tight around the armpit), but that sort of physiology makes it a lot more plausible.
Fafhrd on 3/7/2012 at 06:15
Quote Posted by Sg3
Throw in a horrid interface which doesn't allow you to choose which server to join, doesn't allow you to kick players from games that you host, has no chatlog and no way of seeing what the server options are, and makes you mute every VOIP screamer by hand (VOIP is on by default, with no volume slider, no "mute all" function, and--worse--no way of muting someone unless they are actively talking at that moment), and you have a game which has good graphics, gameplay, and story, but is ultimately not worth playing online.
It's peer-to-peer. You can't pick a server or see server options because there are no servers. This was obviously the biggest mistake they made with the MP, but I honestly haven't found the lag to be that bad in well populated matches. Match settings in public matchmaking are the same for every match of the same match type.
'Mute All' got patched in shortly after release, and you most definitely can mute anyone who has a mic connected regardless of whether they're talking or not.
henke on 3/7/2012 at 08:16
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
And henke: I hope you picked up the Chaos Unleased and Dreadnought Assault DLCs.
That I did not. They're multiplayer map packs right? I rarely spend much time with games' MP modes, mainly in it for the SP.
Quote Posted by Sg3
Never mind the "let's make it even harder on the new folks than it already has to be" weapon unlocks, or the dodgy balance of some of the perks (Iron Halo being the major culprit, but not the only one)--the real problem is net lag.
I didn't notice any lag, but then again it was a co-op game so lag probably doesn't matter as much as when playing against other humans. And the Heavy Bolter and the Jetpack unlocked pretty quickly for me.
I liked what little I played online.
Ulukai on 3/7/2012 at 16:54
Dear Fatties and Neckbeards,
Just forget the inside leg measurements and netcode and go play this badass piece of really dumb but really great SP fun.
henke on 3/7/2012 at 17:18
^^^
Good solid advice.
june gloom on 3/7/2012 at 18:50
Quote Posted by DDL
I think your assumption that any woman will look at the entirety of the 40K range (featuring, after all, 10 or more wholly discrete 'races', only three of them human/former human) and dismiss the entire thing out of hand because "
ugh, look at those tits"...is about the most sexist thing I've read in this thread thus far. Is that really how you think women think? Or do you just have ...embarassingly shallow female friends?
In all honesty, I don't think 'portray women as sex objects' ever really features on the GW agenda. It's based on table-top wargaming, after all. You can dismiss that aspect as not being 'all important anymore', but it's still the fundamental underpinning of the entire enterprise.
Male figures are hard-bitten horrible giant hulking dudes who murder people, female figures are hard-bitten horrible giant hulking dudes (with tits) who murder people. Gender is fairly irrelevant. Very little "roll 2D6 to launch a pickup line". The Adeptus sororitas are essentially 'Combat
Nuns', ffs. Unless you're accusing GW of having a fairly specific fetish, they're about the most sexless archetype for an all-female organisation they could pick.
From the (admittedly few) spin-off books I've read (in my defense, I wanted easily-digestible pulp for a long plane flight), this theme continues: no sex, or even romance, it's just straight up murder murder murder.
Given how hilariously bleak the 40K universe is, I'm amazed anyone ever even gets around to having sex at all (and even then they probably get set on fire by an inquistor for "having fun").
So really, unless you're getting all your 40K artwork from deviantArt, I'm not seeing this whole sex-focus thing. It literally appears to be "GW artwork breaches dethtoll's arbitrary tit-size tolerance threshold", and that's
all.
This is the worst post I've read in
days hours. Are you seriously calling any woman who rolls their eyes at ridiculous male-gaze proportions "shallow?" Fuck you. I'm not even going to dignify the rest of your post with a response, you've lost the plot so completely. Why don't you try actually talking to a woman -- you do know at least one, I presume -- about these things? And by talk, I mean shut up and listen, instead of telling her how she should feel or saying she's shallow or ~oversensitive~ if she doesn't really appreciate the stupid proportions and other issues in the artwork.
Conversation over. Come back when you've done what I've suggested.
