Warren Spector on Human Revolution: "I screamed at the television as I played"

Renzatic on 24/3/2012 at 22:10

Warren Spector made Deus Ex? GRAND! Wait, he was also responsible for the abomination that was Invisible War?

WHAT A SHITFUCK! HE IS OVERRATED AND I HATE HIM FOREVER. GO AWAY WARREN SPECTOR YOU ARE DUMB NOW! YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH ONE GAME THAT WENT SOUR, THEREFORE I SHALL HATE YOU UNTIL THE END OF TIME WITH UNFORGIVENESS!

This also applies to Ken "The Fuckhead" Levine.

Livo on 25/3/2012 at 04:54

Harvey Smith persuaded Warren to delay the release of Deus Ex by six months so they could add in another two endings and flesh out Anna and Gunter's relationship more, so he's not a total boob.

I think one of the major problems was that Harvey worked best as Warren's "editor" (for lack of a better term); directing a major project himself is something that he just isn't as good at doing as he is at other tasks. IIRC, Warren has admitted publicly that some of Harvey's decisions had him very worried during development of Invisible War, but he kept quiet about them unfortunately.

Pemptus on 25/3/2012 at 14:46

Wow guys, you know so much about game developers, it's like you're in their heads! *envy*

Koki on 25/3/2012 at 15:08

Quote Posted by Renzatic

It's not just Invisible War, it was also Deadly Shadows. Both horribly shallow reimaginations of the original games. You don't get that sort of shit luck twice without trying really hard. Interview with him about the IW in which he is all like "DURRR THERE WAS BOTH SWIMMING SKILL AND AQUALUNG SO IT WAS JUST REDUNDANT" confirmed that he is no longer fit to make videogames.
As for Ken "The Fuckhead" Levine... all he did was the story for SS2. Then he made Bioshock. That guy doesn't even have a good past like Spector, he's just a straight up failure.

Sulphur on 25/3/2012 at 15:40

Levine was part of the story and design team for Thief. He even (http://www.armchairempire.com/Interviews/freedom-force-vs-the-third-reich-interview.htm) came up with the initial concept for it. It's a bit easy to forget that, yeah.

Papy on 26/3/2012 at 05:44

Quote Posted by Koki

it was also Deadly Shadows. Both horribly shallow reimaginations of the original games.

Rushed out or incomplete, certainly. But shallow? In what way? (I'm talking only about Deadly Shadows.)

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You don't get that sort of shit luck twice without trying really hard.

You're right on that one. I believe they did try really hard to make those games more "accessible".

OK. You don't like "accessible". Neither do I. But we're dinosaurs and our opinions do not matter anymore. Please, think of the children.

Koki on 26/3/2012 at 05:56

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Please, think of the children.

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Papy on 26/3/2012 at 06:30

I must admit I lack the culture to understand that.

henke on 26/3/2012 at 07:20

I felt like the shortcomings of IW and DS were mostly because of the constraints of the engine they both used, not so much the design choices they went with. Wouldn't blame Harvey for that.

Kuuso on 26/3/2012 at 11:03

Quote Posted by henke

I felt like the shortcomings of IW and DS were mostly because of the constraints of the engine they both used, not so much the design choices they went with. Wouldn't blame Harvey for that.

Exactly this. The engine coupled with the limitations of the original Xbox put some shit restrictions on the games - the small levels for example. It hurt Thief quite a lot with all the loading etc. No way a shalllow reimagining of the original though, I think it's story is on par with the first two or even above at points. That alone warrants it's place in the Thief canon.