jtr7 on 9/11/2009 at 23:33
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Call it my own twisted theory but perhaps Karras became a victim of his own experiments? Brain damage due to chemical exposure (in producing new technology) causing hallucinations? That's my take on it. As for the dedication of his followers, when you consider they came from a basically medieval environment and plunged into modern day technology thanks to his genius-it's easy to see why most of them overlooked signs that something was amiss.
I considered that, too. He was messing with so many things only some of his followers ended up messing with, too, and probably not all the same things he did. His taking on something of a metallic appearance might reflect that. We were told by the devs that his passion and hatred against the Pagans came from the Trickster's siege of the Hammer Temple and the great threat of his Dark Project. I'm sure the release of The Eye back into the world (which the Hammers had taken from the Pagans over 50 years prior) also inflamed his hate. He did personal experiments with the tech from Karath Din. I think it's reasonable the chemicals/alchemy he played around with twisted him more. He was already being made fun of openly, so that was already a driving factor when he lost self-control and went with his impulses. His plans were sound, though, and only his over-confidence in his creation was the chink in his armor.
Lica Samadau on 15/11/2009 at 12:04
Could it be that the goal of his experiments was to become "perfect"? His view of perfection was technology destroying nature, and Karras, even though he hated to admit it, was an organic himself, thus a part of the thing he hated the most. And since the Mechanist want to eliminate organisms entirely (different from the ordinary Hammerites, which admit to being a part of nature, just a better part that should opress the rest while controlling their natural impulses), Karras might have wanted to turn into a machine via KD chemistry?
massimilianogoi on 15/11/2009 at 12:35
Quote Posted by Lica Samadau
Could it be that the goal of his experiments was to become "perfect"? His view of perfection was technology destroying nature, and Karras, even though he hated to admit it, was an organic himself, thus a part of the thing he hated the most. And since the Mechanist want to eliminate organisms entirely (different from the ordinary Hammerites, which admit to being a part of nature, just a better part that should opress the rest while controlling their natural impulses), Karras might have wanted to turn into a machine via KD chemistry?
I don't believe he wanted to turn himself into a machine, and I don't agree with those who think that K would have destroyed himself once the Builder's Paradise should be arrived:
kar1602K: "
Alas, I alone must wait for purification. I must remain alive to greet The Builder, while all around me all else is cleansed by His wondrous breath. The day shall come when I, too, breathe in His perfection. "
In my opinion, didn't mean that he would have erased himsef, but that he would have hold on until the oldness get him unconformable with his biologic functions then he die, and at that point he would die. This, imo, means nothing other than he goes to the Builder himself (how many of us, when someone dies, tell "he has gone to rejoin with God"??).
Yes, the problem about how Karras feed himself after the Builder's Paradise Arribal is still opened, but I guess he would have turn into slavery some organig being, then feed it, for the purpose to become food.
Karras thought He was the only human, living being perfect to himself, and to the eyes of the Builder.
There's another, interesting, opinion: "
The day shall come when I, too, breathe in His perfection.". This could mean also that Karras, one day, would have breathed, along with the Builder's himself breath, in His Paradise.
Herr_Garrett on 16/11/2009 at 07:30
Nice theory, it's a pity that by "wondrous breath" "and "breathe in His perfection" he meant inhaling the Necrotic Mutox, which, you know, kills organic stuff.
And there are hints that he might have wanted to turn himself into a machine, too. Check his posterior, for instance.
massimilianogoi on 16/11/2009 at 07:35
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Nice theory, it's a pity that by "wondrous breath" "and "breathe in His perfection" he meant inhaling the Necrotic Mutox, which, you know, kills organic stuff.
There are absolutely no prooves about this.
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And there are hints that he might have wanted to turn himself into a machine, too. Check his posterior, for instance.
About the armor? :sweat: That was just an odd armor, and nothing other...
Jah on 16/11/2009 at 09:46
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There are absolutely no prooves about this.
" I must remain alive to greet The Builder, while all around me all else is cleansed by His wondrous breath."
"His wondrous breath" clearly refers to the Necrotic Mutox, which "cleanses" everything else while Karras alone remains alive...
"The day shall come when I,
too, breathe in His perfection."
...but eventually Karras, like everyone else, will also breathe the Mutox, after his role in bringing about the Builder's Paradise has been fulfilled.
Lica Samadau on 16/11/2009 at 11:56
I wonder who exactly is the Builder. Unlike his nemesis, who appeared in human form or at least manifested his desires in some way, we see no concrete evidence of the Builder. Clearly he had dealings in the Thief world's past, especially during the dawn of mankind, but who is he, really? Is he even "alive" in this time?
Herr_Garrett on 16/11/2009 at 20:29
Quote Posted by massimilianogoi
There are absolutely no prooves about this.
You could start learning English, and than perhaps you would not miss proofs that literally stick into your eye.
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About the armor? :sweat: That was just an odd armor, and nothing other...
It's a pity it isn't an armour. It's some sort of machinery or rigging, you know.
Lica Samadau on 16/11/2009 at 20:34
Karras could have considered death by "The Builder's Breath" a purifying one. He might not have necessarily wanted to remain here as a machine. A place in the builder's nature-devoid paradise would suit him just fine.
Herr_Garrett on 16/11/2009 at 20:41
This is purely speculation, you understand, but I think he was considering mind uploading.
