what came first, wizardry or ultima?

ZylonBane on 10/2/2012 at 16:22

Quote Posted by Al_B

It's a real shame that this is the case. Don't take it personally, apdenton, but there's also another member called (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/member.php?u=12139) pdenton who's been around for quite a while so it does raise a red flag or two.

And really, naming yourself after the main character in any work is just the lamest thing ever.

Al_B on 10/2/2012 at 16:30

Much better to base your name on the (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Raiders) enemy instead?

demagogue on 10/2/2012 at 17:24

I remember reading an article on Garriot making Akalabeth... It was really IIRC one of those things where a person gets an idea of translating the D&D genre to a game and sits down and literally maps it out just for its own sake, before he's thinking of the commercial value. The tone of the article made it sound like he was really in a bubble making stuff up as he went along to do what had to be done. I don't know about Wizardry, but I imagine it was more of a commercial venture from the start and they knew what they were going to do.

As an aside, the cool thing about reading about that era, or the era when 3D games first started, was that everything was new to everybody, so there was a lot of experimentation and discovery of stuff we take for granted now. Hard to know what people could make today that's really new. Probably a fun time to be making games then, as long as you weren't worried about making real money off of it.

apdenton on 10/2/2012 at 17:30

Quote Posted by ZylonBane

And really, naming yourself after the main character in any work is just the lamest thing ever.

fuck you, i love deus ex to death. tell me about your forum name then, what makes ZylonBane so special?

Melan on 10/2/2012 at 17:45

Also, don't forget that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telengard) Telengard (1978) precedes both Ultima or Wizardry, and its precursor, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DND_%28computer_game%29) DND, came out in 1975. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moria_%28PLATO%29) Moria (an obscure first-person game, not the (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moria_%28video_game%29) roguelike) also dates back to 1975. This doesn't make Akalabeth/Ultima or Wizardry mere copycats, since both add a lot of refinement and new ground to the mainframe games before them (Ultima 1 even has a rudimentary space simulator system). But they did not develop in a vacuum, and both of them stood on the shoulders of earlier games - making the question of "who was first" mostly meaningless.

ZylonBane on 10/2/2012 at 18:36

Quote Posted by apdenton

fuck you, i love deus ex to death.

So do lots of people. Imagine a Deus Ex forum where every single member had a username that was some variation of "Denton". I'll save you the trouble of imagining-- it would be idiotic. Like posting on a LotR forum as "Frodo", or on a My Little Pony forum as "xxx__==PrincessCelestia==__xxx", etc. This sort of naming behavior represents both arrogance and a profound failure of imagination. (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123517) Further reading here.

As for my username, it's a reference to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_VDM8nC9sM) Star Raiders, the classic precursor to such games as Wing Commander, X-Wing, Freespace, etc. It's also, these days, somewhat obscure.

demagogue on 10/2/2012 at 18:38

Quote Posted by apdenton

Quote Posted by ZB

And really, naming yourself after the main character in any work is just the lamest thing ever.

fuck you, i love deus ex to death. tell me about your forum name then, what makes ZylonBane so special?

*psst*

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Edit: Ninja'd. I stand corrected. Apparently there is no irony in this at all.

apdenton on 10/2/2012 at 22:42

Quote Posted by ZylonBane

As for my username, it's a reference to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_VDM8nC9sM) Star Raiders, the classic precursor to such games as Wing Commander, X-Wing, Freespace, etc. It's also, these days, somewhat obscure.

whatever. waste of time even talking about this, my username is what it is and i am not going to change it nor regret naming it what it is. you jester :joke:

ZylonBane on 10/2/2012 at 23:07

That is exactly the sort of response I expected from someone with the mentality (as such) that would pick such a name in the first place.

apdenton on 10/2/2012 at 23:14

Quote Posted by ZylonBane

That is exactly the sort of response I expected from someone with the mentality (as such) that would pick such a name in the first place.

and this is the kind of response i expected from someone with the mentality to critisize a username to begin with.

dont waste my time