Jilly The Taffer on 31/5/2009 at 19:36
This one is present in Baffords, Ramirezes'(sp?) and Constantines.
But what does it show?
Inline Image:
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2488/250240-trickster_super.jpgI personally think it shows the fight between Hammerites and Pagans.
Obviously it is a Hammerite, a Priest maybe? Judging from the magic of the hammer he is wielding.
And behind him is a building, representing industrialisation, urban growth, technology. The Hammerite beliefs.
And that winged creature. A Pagan creature, due to the trees it is being banished back to. The trees, representing nature and the Pagan beliefs obviously.
OR! Is this picture depicting the battle between the Builder and the Trickster? The Hammerite could be the Builder, the proud stance, the magic hammer. But, the creature doesn't look much like the Trickster, other than the tail.
Yandros on 31/5/2009 at 19:38
I always assumed it was an interpretational painting of The Builder battling The Trickster. Clearly the pagan creature doesn't look that much like The Trickster, but perhaps we can assume some artistic license was used.
Xorak on 31/5/2009 at 20:38
I see it as an allegory to Michelangelo's Creation of Adam. (You know that picture of God's finger almost touching Adam's)
Here we see the Builder imbuing the pagan with life. See how the fingers of the Pagan creature are reaching out to the hammer just like in the Creation of Adam. Both individuals are in complete peace, there is no sign of combat or hatred between them. I think it suggests that the pagan wants the learning and understanding that the 'hammer' brings, and that there is after all a similarity between the two rivals.
Or perhaps it could very well be saying that the pagan was transformed into the priest by touching the hammer. Maybe the priest in the robe was a winged beast just seconds earlier, but the hammer has imbued him with sudden and unknown knowledge.
PotatoGuy on 31/5/2009 at 20:56
I don't think that; you can see that the creature turns away from the light that the hammer brings. I'll go for the first one: Builder/Priest vs. Trickster/Pagan creature
Inline Image:
http://i39.tinypic.com/25k1k0k.jpgHow about this one? (Also Lord Bafford's. The guy has some craaazy paintings.) Just something nice or actually from the Thief universe? (Or did they just put it in Thief 1 so that they could make a secret of it in Thief 2 (You know, the art gallery) ?
Dooh Nibor on 31/5/2009 at 21:03
Yes, in the first I think in Trickster too. Maybe doesn't look that much like him because is an old painting and nobody have seen the Trickster in its material form yet?
Its my hypothesis, so who knows...
Loved those paintings, for me they provide great deepness to the game :thumb:
PotatoGuy, loved your selection, is something like a sorceress (maybe a hint for an ancient representation of Viktoria? :laff:)
Here's my favourite:
Inline Image:
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4595/muertev.jpgAin't have any idea about its meaning, maybe it's the Death in some kind of dance?
Jilly The Taffer on 31/5/2009 at 21:13
Quote Posted by Xorak
Here we see the Builder imbuing the pagan with life. See how the fingers of the Pagan creature are reaching out to the hammer just like in the
Creation of Adam. Both individuals are in complete peace, there is no sign of combat or hatred between them. I think it suggests that the pagan wants the learning and understanding that the 'hammer' brings, and that there is after all a similarity between the two rivals.
Or perhaps it could very well be saying that the pagan was transformed into the priest by touching the hammer. Maybe the priest in the robe was a winged beast just seconds earlier, but the hammer has imbued him with sudden and unknown knowledge.
Very interesting insight there.
Yes indeed the creature is reaching towards the hammer magic, but in it's stance, it is also shying away back into the cover of the trees.
Therefore, I think that it is the Pagan vs Hammerite battle, but with a tiny emphasis (Pagan reaching out) on the Pagans' natural curiosity.
Nice one, I remember seeing that in Baffords. He does indeed have some
very strange peices.
I think it's a Pagan Priestess of some sort. See how she is surrounded by nature, plants and animals? I'm not sure what to make of the orb in her hand though :erg:
Inline Image:
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4595/muertev.jpgWow, I like this one. Where was it Dooh Nibor? Baffords again? :laff:
Anyway, it looks sort of elemental...with the woman on the left surrounded with greeny colours (Earth) and the woman on the right surrounded with blues (Water).
Don't know who the guy in the middle is supposed to represent...a Hammerite Priest maybe? With his red robe and all.
PotatoGuy on 31/5/2009 at 21:24
Or maybe a Mage from the Hand Brotherhood? Elementals are really their thing.
Jilly The Taffer on 31/5/2009 at 21:39
Oh, yeh :laff:
They had whole towers dedicated to the elements. Silly me ;)
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I've just recently come across an earlier thread like this one. It has surely appeased my curiosity on many of the wierd paintings seen in Thief.
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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10900) http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10900
However, still post your fresh ideas, it will be interesting to discuss further :thumb:
Thanks to jtr7 for the thread link.
Dia on 1/6/2009 at 00:11
Quote Posted by Yandros
I always assumed it was an interpretational painting of The Builder battling The Trickster. Clearly the pagan creature doesn't look that much like The Trickster, but perhaps we can assume some artistic license was used.
I agree Yandros. I always thought it was a reprensentation of the Builder banishing the Trickster. Remember during Constantine's transformation into the Trickster how he started growing a set of horns? I don't see anything remotely pagan about the devil-like creature in the painting.
jtr7 on 1/6/2009 at 09:29
My impression is it represents the Hammers and the demonized form of the forces of chaos and untamed nature. The Trickster is called "Devil" by the Kurshok, and an Old Quarter Hammerite wrote of "demon-kind" at the time of the Cataclysm.
The wings are the one major unique thing, though the whole creature just doesn't fit the range of images from a devil-red faun, a plump pale faun with a very human upper-half, a humanoid goat (more goat than man, including the face), a satyr, an elk, a man with deer antlers, and a satyr with a huge tail unlike any goat, elk, or deer.
Anyhow, here's the compiled information I pasted into the Wiki from that older thread for looking up the many of the real paintings copied into
Thief:
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http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Painting)
