Dia on 2/7/2008 at 13:49

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I have to disagree; Garrett never wanted to be a Keeper in the first place, but now that he's allegedly become that which he always despised and has accepted that fact, it seemed right that he would consider training an exceptional 'student' to either someday take his place or start a whole new generation of Keepers. That's just mho, mind you. It makes sense that there would always have to be Keepers to 'keep the balance', even though the glyphs had been destroyed. The Keepers weren't all that secret since others knew they existed; most were just unaware of exactly what the Keepers did or were up to. Besides, that part of TDS' ending did seem to give the authors a way to segue into the possibility of creating, if not a Thief 4, then a Thief spinoff of sorts.

Throughout all three Thief games Garrett is a sort of reluctant hero, a fact which seems to surprise him. Of course, Garrett could also have been being sarcastic or cynical when he spoke those words to the girl, which could give that part of the ending a whole different interpretation (I keep seeing that seemingly cynical smile of his after he says those words to the girl). By the end of TDS Garrett seems to have 'grown up'; having experienced and witnessed things that have made him a 'believer' that there are forces in his world that are much larger and more important than his next heist. While still cynical, he seemed to have accepted his fate, albeit reluctantly as has been Garrett's way in all three Thief games. So I guess the part of the ending where Garrett confronts the little girl can be interpreted as either Garrett was about to continue the Keepers line by taking on a student, or that the Thief story had indeed come full circle and that there was just no more to tell. Being a die-hard Thief fan (okay, and somewhat of a romantic :p ), I opt to believe in the former.




I was under the impression that the Keepers' ability to 'hide in plain sight' was a talent which they practiced and honed, a skill that had nothing to do with the glyphs. That talent/ability seemed to be latent in Garrett, as evidenced by the fact that as a youngster he had no trouble spotting a Keeper whom did not wish to be seen. By that account, Garrett still has the ability to go largely unnoticed except by an exceptionally observant person: i.e. the little girl who tries to nick Garrett's purse at the end.

Dia on 2/7/2008 at 15:47

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Agreed. However, the only thing about Garrett accepting responsibility as a Keeper that bothers me is the fact that the Keepers were dead-set against Garrett's thieving (except when it suited them, of course). So since Garrett is now the head Keeper, that could mean that his days as Master Thief are over. Unless ...... he continues true to form and eschews living in a Keeper compound (& continues to play the Rogue) whereas he would then have to make a living by, what else? Thieving!

'kay; it's a stretch, but I hate to see Garrett's adventures/saga end with TDS. So there.

TheGrimSmile on 5/7/2008 at 04:03

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Orland and co.? I didn't even care about any of the keepers except Artemis... *sniff*

Anyway, I could believe Garrett would pass down his thieving ablities and retire. I don't like the idea, but... After all, he said he wanted to retire at the beginning of the second game. He's been through a lot since then, and getting on in his years.

I just don't like the idea of a little girl. I dunno, probably would just feel better if it were a boy XD

Buuuuut... assuming Garrett would train a new thief/keeper or continue being one himself, what would they do? The citizens are all about stealing gold from the newly discovered Keeper complex, the Keepers are probably running around like chickens without heads because all the glyphs are gone, and everyone else is just doing what they always did.

So, would Garrett help the keepers? Would he even care? The City's in chaos because of everything that's happened, so they can't even do much until the dust has settled (and that will take a long time and a lot of explaining)

Maybe, if the story continues, the plot will turn to some other issues. For example, there was some serious Pagan vs. Hammer goin' on in Stonemarket. Did they kill eachother off? Diane(sp?) is ust chillin' in her forest sectors of the City, but maybe she's planning something bigger?

Resurection of the Woodsie Lord? Nah, not likely :p

And a small thing; since when did Garrett start carrying a purse on his belt? All these years, you think he would've learned... :nono:

TheGrimSmile on 5/7/2008 at 15:49

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I'll have to agree on that one :laff:

Plus, we'd never get lines like "No need for alarm, ladies. Just passing through"




True, true, though about half the books are now blank and useless (though they could make good sketch books...)

Anywho, I have to wonder if the Keepers stayed to defend the Compound, or if they just ran away, too scared to do much else.

Garrett has gone through a lot of homes, hasn't he?



I suppose Garrett would help them but, as I mentioned, maybe after a while. The Keepers are probably neck-deep in confusion while trying to ward off the curious city-folk. Garrett doesn't seem the type to walk into the spotlight.

Without their glyphs, the Keepers pretty much powerless. Not that the glyphs would help much, anyway. When they started changing (the glyphs, I mean), it proved that the big happenings of the world couldn't be put down on paper and that be the final draft. It was a rather rude awakening, and now the Keepers can't see anything, which is the one skill that they relied completely upon. What are they going to do now? Find an alternate way of using the glyphs?



:laff: have to agree there, too! If they do something with that girl, I hope it's deeper than making another thief out of her. I also want the return of those dark, silhouetted(sp?) movies.

I think the thing the TDS makers forgot about (on the graphic front) was the fact that Thief isn't about how much detail you can put on someone, but rather how much they try not to stick out.



Too bad Garrett wasn't more accepting of his Keeper-ness when he was being chased by fifty hammers :P

TheGrimSmile on 5/7/2008 at 17:49

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Yeah, I figured he was talking about the glyphs being destroyed, and therefore their way of recording prophecy or whatever.

I have to wonder when and by what the final glyph was made. I'm thinking something along the lines of different factions setting up the path for this great glyph. Maybe ancient Hammers, Pagans, and Kurshok were entrusted with making the final glyph in case the Keeper order ever became unbalanced.

It would make sense why those artifacts were needed to activate it. It would take some exaimining of where the glyph was to see if this were true.



I also assumed those mysterious figures to be Keepers, but I'll get back to that later.

It would make sense that they hid, not wanting any information to get out to the public. They'd probably have a few questions to answer :P

As for the figures; seeing as the Keepers were getting corrupt and unbalanced themselves, maybe (and this is going out on a very long limb) the people that showed up were actually the force that Gamall was sent from as an opposing and balanced force to the Keepers. It could be that there are two groups of people who prophesize, or maybe the Keepers and the people who are trying to change the future.

Maybe there is a group of people who also hold the power of glyphs. However, instead of writing down what could happen, they try to change it. In this way, they are the opposite of the Keepers.

The Keepers remained more powerful than this other group, and were therefore unbalanced. To correct this, the other group made Gamall powerful by way of the glyphs. By her power, they were able to change the glyphs and balance them and the Keppers. However, Gamall grew out of control and wanted to be more powerful and once again threatened the balance. Perhaps those shadowy figures were the group she came from, come to punish her after her crimes.

Really, it's more of a fanfiction type thing than something that's actually plausible, but it's fun to think. :laff:



The only problem is that the Keepers kept balance by way of the glyphs. As the young acolyte in the vide questioned, how are they to keep balance now? The Keepers read the glyphs, and then pretty much relied on Garrett to make sure they followed through. Now they have no idea what to expect or do.