Tocky on 26/6/2025 at 03:53
Marrow Bone on hulu is the most heartbreaking ghost story I have ever watched. I can easily see it happening too. That is all I can say without risking a giveaway.
The latest Poltergeist remake follows the original plot but with less spectacular special effects because CGI just can't compare. You really can't remake it anyway. It was of it's time and set so many tropes we forget they were a first. This one can't recapture the surprises or the complacency or ultimate fear of the original. It can only make you nostalgic for the original.
And Harvester, the villain is known on the first visit to their place. What could house a hyperbaric chamber? Good series. Like all good ones you wind up caring for the characters. I even did so after the Syrian would not give specifics on which side he was on. Even the asshole was likeable. My favorite scene was when he beat the shit out of that guy who threatened his son.
Neb on 25/7/2025 at 18:33
Belated apologies to everyone in every thread here (and elsewhere online) that I've never replied to. I'm not very conversational online and tend to drive-by post. :laff:
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26/04/25 - Paprika
27/04/25 - Miller's Crossing
01/05/25 - Fargo
04/05/25 - Salvador
16/05/25 - Barton Fink
18/05/25 - The Brutalist
22/05/25 - Candyman
23/05/25 -
Arrival23/05/25 - Being John Malkovich
26/05/25 - Adaptation
06/06/25 - Dave
08/06/25 -
Minority Report14/06/25 - Planes, Trains and Automobiles
15/06/25 - Beverly Hills Cop
21/06/25 - Rounders
23/06/25 - Men In Black
28/06/25 - The Boondock Saints
29/06/25 - The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
29/06/25 - Drive
03/07/25 - Fight Club
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The Addams Family12/07/25 - Magnolia
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Victoria22/07/25 -
Mulholland Drive23/07/25 - Cast Away
24/07/25 - The Whale
24/07/25 - House of Games
The Addams Family was excellent. I don't think I've seen it since the 90s, could not remember anything up-front, and yet beat for beat it all came back as I saw it. It's interesting how that can happen. I had the same thing when rewatching Breaking the Waves (probably the best von Trier).
Minority Report was also surprisingly good, and full of scenes that I'd forgotten.
Arrival was better than expected.
Victoria was surprisingly good. I found the suspense unbearable waiting to find out what the movie was really supposed to be about, and it's 2 hours long and shot in a single take. It's not like it takes place in one location either. Really well done.
I went to a screening of Mulholland Drive after not seeing it for over 15 years and it deeply affected me, unlike previously. I have been thinking about it all week. Since I already worked through getting my head around the plot twist and confusing, surreal elements back when it was first released, I went in more able to take it for what it is. I keep thinking about how sad it is that someone can get stuck into an ideal about what their life should be based on a kind of trauma or living up to expectations of others, and how we may be tormented by choices we don't really need to take. Love it. It's gone from one of the best to even better. :)
demagogue on 26/7/2025 at 01:15
I'm a Mulholland Drive junkie, but recently I've been really thinking about how to really unlock the movie for myself and others. Of course there's the notorious (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiCfHW3N3vo) explainer video by Twin Perfect on YouTube.
Although he's annoying, I think he actually gets the main points basically right. So it's one way to start the unlocking. But I think he actually takes too superficial a view, and of course just having the "answer" handed to the viewer doesn't really allow them to explore the symbolism space themselves.
So like with a good Thief fan mission, maybe, I wouldn't actually recommend watching it right off, but I think it's better to first give some hints or approaches that, if a viewer follows them up, it starts to unlock the movie scene by scene until the whole thing starts to open up. (Then after trying to crack it yourself, you can go back and check with the video.)
There are two really big hints or approaches for Mulholland Drive I think are good to think about going in. One is the color symbolism (which by the way is consistent throughout all Lynch movies since Blue Velvet and is a good way to open up all of them), and the other is understanding the final diner scene.
I'll just drop some hints about those two things, and I think it'll help unlock the movie if you really pay attention to them.
Starting with the 2nd, which revolves around the key secret to the whole thing, in that final diner scene, the key thing to notice is that the man she's talking to, showing the publicity photo,
actually has two jobs. Of course when you watch it the first time, you're supposed to think he's an assassin and they're arranging an assassination of "this is the girl". In a way symbolically they are. But if you watch carefully, you'll notice he actually has a 2nd job. Now think about the meaning of that scene if he's acting not as an assassin but in his role in that 2nd job. This is the hint that will really blow open the central secret of the movie better than anything else. I think it's better to give you the hint and let you explore it than to just give it away. It hits so much harder when you get it yourself, and the meaning of all the other parts start opening up.
The other thing is the color symbolism. I'll just make a list. Lynch is religiously scrupulous to color symbolism. Pretty literally any time you see that color, he's referring to its symbolism. I'm not even kidding. There's some interpretation to be done, but to cut to the chase, here's the way I think about them. Watch each scene with these in mind, and I promise the meaning of the scenes will open up in really fascinating ways that reveal a lot about what's really going on.
Color symbolism list (my interpretation):
Blue: The central secret
Red: The Sex / The violation
Yellow / gold / jewelry: Greed (Twin Perfect said "the spirit of classic Hollywood" but, eh... Yellow is greed is all his other movies.)
Green: Youth / inexperience
Pink: The dream
Black: He or she knows, they're in the dark of life
White: He or she doesn't know yet, they're still in the light of life
Black & white striped: They know, but they've reached balance in life between the dark and light
So for example, one of the most stunning visuals in this entire movie is actually the color of a van that I don't think is on the screen for even 1/3 of a second, maybe 8 frames. But boy do those frames hit hard once you know what you're really looking at!!
All of that said, I still haven't said what the central secret is. It's something you really could drop as a single term. And the magic of the show is that it repeats it in practically every scene, over and over, without every directly saying its name. It's present but hidden everywhere. But it's still better to let it hit you, and it really does explode the meaning of every scene wide open once you see it.
Well, the other central secret is about who these women /
this woman really is, but I think if you think about the above, opening up that secret should come along for the ride.
Sorry if all of this is a bit overbearing. Like I said I'm a Mulholland Drive junkie, and it's fascinating or exciting for me to see people figure out how to peel this movie apart. But don't feel any pressure or take me as any kind of special expert or demanding or anything. Also half the movie is also all the emotional vibes that go beyond reason or "solving the mystery" which any viewer can pick up by themselves, and that's valid too.
But I do think thinking through solving the mystery with some of these hints in hand does actually help open up the movie in a special way, so I recommend it to anyone interested in the movie anyway. Well that's my 2 cents on it anyway. Cheers.
heywood on 6/8/2025 at 14:05
I just watched Idiocracy last night, finally. People keep talking about how it is becoming real, so I had to watch it. It was neither as funny or as prescient as I hoped, but the jokes about how stupid people can be were funny enough to hold our attention on a week night. When it wasn't trying to make jokes, it was mostly a cautionary tale about rising anti-intellectual populism and the importance of rational argument. It was probably funnier when it first came out, but the point seems more serious now that we are clearly heading in that direction. My biggest issue with the movie is its main premise: that idiocracy is a genetic problem, caused by policies that favor the lower class leading to unequal breeding rates. The opening and closing scenes that frame the movie are dedicated to this point.
I was surprised at the number of similarities with WALL-E, which is my favorite animated movie. Idiocracy was released 2 years before WALL-E, but the WALL-E story was conceived and developed back in the mid-1990s. So I wonder if either had an influence on the other.
Starker on 6/8/2025 at 23:11
The idea was basically the plot of The Bell Curve where it was used as an argument for eliminating welfare policies. It has been a longstanding idea in certain right-wing subcultures where it has been used as a prediction or even justification for inevitable totalitarianism in the US where the tech-savvy elite will eventually rule over the ignorant masses.
I've made it a point to watch everything Mike Judge does. It's not even that I think his stuff is particularly good at satire or laugh out funny, but I feel that it manages to capture something about US culture incredibly well, whether it's the understated humour of King of the Hill or the corporate culture of Office Space. Idiocracy feels like a reaction to the Bush era, but of course anti-intellectualism has been an undercurrent in the US for quite a while now. In a lot of ways, it feels like a companion piece to Team America by the South Park guys which has its own brand of mockery of unquestioning knee-jerk patriotism.
Tocky on 7/8/2025 at 00:38
I don't think it is policy that favors the poor having children as much as it is a cultural thing. Certainly it is difficult financially for anyone to raise children and policies only help in minor ways. Although I will say that some who do rely more on government handouts develop a blasé attitude about spitting out kids. Of course Republicans worry that it is the wrong color kids being spit out which is the impetus for cutting programs and getting rid of abortion figuring it is mostly white people having them. They certainly don't want to facilitate in their own race being surpassed. They view other races as less intelligent or concerned with advancement of the American way of life. All that while urging the dumbing down of the nation with religion in school and completely misunderstanding theory and scientific method. Worse, seeing intelligence as a threat to their way of life and eliminating educational programs.
Asimov noted it when he said, "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge' ". Opinion is supposed to be just as good as anything studied for years. "Common sense" is also held as just as good while few seem to prove it in arguments except as an end to discussion.
At any rate I would urge everyone to see Idiocracy as well as Don't Look up for cautionary tales which may well come true in some nefarious fashion. I had so much more hope for us once upon a time. My only hope now is that I have managed to affect the future with my kids and that there are those like me who have tried to impart reasoning and logical deduction. Not that I am any exceptional human. I just hope I'm not ever what passes for one.
heywood on 7/8/2025 at 13:50
Mike Judge is awesome at mocking American culture.
It would be better to discuss The Bell Curve in a different thread, but yeah I can see the influence. Had I known that Idiocracy was framed in eugenics, I might have skipped it as irrelevant because the social and political movement away from rationalism that we're living in now has nothing to do with genetics.
Starker on 7/8/2025 at 15:49
Yeah, it's not a movie that tries to accurately describe anything about society. Rather it describes a certain view of society -- that there is a lazy ignorant underclass taking advantage of the hardworking people at the top who, in their view, actually advance society. As such, it still remains relevant in the heterodox community where it's half-seriously treated as something of a documentary along with a slew of pseudo-intellectual dysgenics fantasies. And of course Charles Murray himself is a frequent guest and collaborator in these circles.
Where it becomes more relevant and you actually see it pop up in mainstream culture a bit is in the idea that "wokeism" has dumbed down the US, because unqualified minorities are taking the jobs of qualified white men. It's basically the rationale behind the war against DEIA.
Thirith on 11/8/2025 at 08:32
Last night we watched Knit's Island, a French documentary which kinda has the three documentarians 'embed' on a DayZ server and interact with the people playing on it as the filmmakers they are, asking them about themselves and the ways in which they behave in the game and express themselves. It's all quite loose and experiential: there are no structured interviews, just conversations between the filmmakers and the players as they play DayZ. You've got the postapocalyptic griefer-cannibals, the close-knit friendly communities, the couple that's been traversing Chernarus for seven, eight years, the strange but friendly Finnish guy who's running the Church of Dagoth in the game.
You can imagine the kind of themes the film touches on: real life vs. game, escapism, do people play these games to be someone else or to be themselves more fully - but the machinima-style format and the selection of people the filmmakers end up interacting with makes this fascinating (at least for me - I can imagine others finding it dreadfully dull and the filmmakers annoying). Since the whole thing was made during the pandemic, which is alluded to but rarely spoken about in detail, you also get the impression that the world of DayZ was where many of these people went when they couldn't go outside and meet up with others to the same extent. The film is sometimes goofy, sometimes strange (there's a definite uncanny valley effect between the ways in which DayZ looks quite realistic and the many ways in which it's a clunky video game), and towards the end oddly poignant. It also made me think about the hundreds of hours of multiplayer games played especially with TTLG folks, and the ways in which those are at least as much about hanging out with friends as they are about playing a game and trying to beat it. They way I think of several of the people here as their characters in GTA or Arma or Human Fall Flat or Peak or Walkabout Mini Golf - and it doesn't make them any less real to me.
[video=youtube_share;EyvZ3iuMWKM]https://youtu.be/EyvZ3iuMWKM?si=eI870o0edcR3H4ZR[/video]
Yakoob on 13/8/2025 at 22:02
Just watched Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice last night, and overall it was a mixed bag, but definitely a fun watch with some great visuals and style.
The good
* Beetlejuice and Dalia were both excellent just as last movie, every time they showed up was a treat!
* The underworld lore and visuals are still great and unique
* Beetlejuice backstory was great and the whole Italian gag worked well
* I read some mixed opinions about the ending wedding song sequence but I really liked it and felt it was very on-brand
* Dafoe's character didn't do much plot-wise, but was another great addition to the cast. The assistant constantly handing him coffee was a great gag
The bad
* Too many characters and plotpoints. Dolores was set as the big bad but didn't really do much, as well as the ghost kid getting forgotten halfway thru
* I really didn't care for Astrid or the mom/daughter relationship. I kind of saw the "mom reunites with daughter" trope from the very start and it felt kind forced. Idk if it's the acting or writing, but it just didn't do it for me
* The whole character of Astrid felt flat for me, she felt more like a plot device than someone I cared or rooted for
* Lydia's character also felt off compared to how she was in first movie. I get she dealt with a lot of trauma to become who she was, but all that happened "off screen" and was hard to buy into. Her arc and growth learning to cope and fight back also felt a little forced
* The "resolution" at end (after wedding song) was kind of terrible, all plot points resolved themselves in 5 minutes in most hamfisted way. Felt very un-earned and deus ex machina