massimilianogoi on 15/3/2009 at 20:43
What kind of being were those servants?
Write here what you know about/your considerations.
Unfortunately, I'm not so skilled in english, maybe I've lost something about the mechanist's servants, I just know that the mechanists inserted to them the cultivator (how?) and putted them the masks: when I entered to that room in near the mechanist chuch where Karras spoked to Truart, I found to servants inserted in two cells with some liquid (water?) and some dead bodies, maybe the mechanists killed the poor souls, then resurrect them in some way as servant?
I need of those informations for my FM, so I ask you to fill my knowledge.
Thanks.
jtr7 on 15/3/2009 at 21:16
My personal choice is they are not living, and it's a form of necromancy. The souls of the dead trapped inside their dead bodies, which have been treated alchemically against decay and rigor mortis, kept fresh. The masks are programmable artifacts to control the Servants' wills. The Precursors had many things in common with the ancient Egyptians, and the technology Karras uses comes from the Precursors, with the removal of organs, and wrapping the bodies in strips of cloth, like the Servants.
Sometime after
Life of the Party, the Servants are upgraded with the Cultivator and Rust-Gas at Soulforge, and I pretend they have had their heart removed to make plenty of room, with a tube going to the lips of the mask.
Here are a lot of ideas. It's confusing even in English, so take your time:
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http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Masked_Servants)
Aren't there any other Italian taffers to help with translation around here?
massimilianogoi on 15/3/2009 at 21:31
But in the speeches in the victrolas Karras said clearly "a living worker"... Alright that we can't trust the words of Karras, since he said a good number of lies to cover his plan... :p
Solabusca on 16/3/2009 at 08:03
Quote Posted by jtr7
My personal choice is they are not living, and it's a form of necromancy. The souls of the dead trapped inside their dead bodies, which have been treated alchemically against decay and rigor mortis, kept fresh. The masks are programmable artifacts to control the Servants' wills. The Precursors had many things in common with the ancient Egyptians, and the technology Karras uses comes from the Precursors, with the removal of organs, and wrapping the bodies in strips of cloth, like the Servants.
Sometime after
Life of the Party, the Servants are upgraded with the Cultivator and Rust-Gas at Soulforge, and I pretend they have had their heart removed to make plenty of room, with a tube going to the lips of the mask.
Very close to what I'm thinking, Jason. Very close indeed.
Didn't we just talk about this the other day?
.j.
massimilianogoi on 16/3/2009 at 14:18
More: how can they get to move, if they were already dead? Zombie like?
ManicMan on 16/3/2009 at 14:30
Quote Posted by massimilianogoi
But in the speeches in the victrolas Karras said clearly "a
living worker"... Alright that we can't trust the words of Karras, since he said a good number of lies to cover his plan... :p
Ah, but when did Karras lie? he didn't tell the truth but i don't remember what is a clear lie.. .
Quote:
Before they were Servants, the souls behind the masks were lost and unproductive
Which, is basicly true
Quote:
A short while ago, these Servants were confined to an asylum. Mentally feeble, they were of no use to anyone
that is kinda more refering to the Servants he is currently givin as a gift but isn't it true? a Prison is sometimes refer to as an asylum and the term can mean anything like that really... as for mentally feeble? They are, as truart says
Quote:
Vagabonds, street scum, prostitutes
and to Karras, aren't this people mentally feeble and that's why they are in the state they are? so.. he does skim the truth a bit but doesn't like... where as a Zombie is clearly a dead person (which is why the decay and stuff).
With the skills Karras has to make a new eye for garret, wanna bet he was able to build something that would give food to the servants.. maybe electrical converters of some kind, thus alot of inside space is pointless and can be removed etc.. So they are like Nick Chopper (the Tin man for thoose that don't know) how had his axe chop off his arm, so he replaced it with a tin one etc until he was all tin, BUT (and this is a major plot point) still alive.
massimilianogoi on 16/3/2009 at 15:00
The tin man... lol
Quote:
... now they know... happiness...
And this seems true for you?
Whereas they were caught by some nobles when they crying, more: when you killed them they said "thank you!".. So, I don't think they were so happy...
ManicMan on 16/3/2009 at 16:31
Yes. I believe Karras isn't lying.. Why? Because working for the Builder and being transformed into something so producive, how could they not be happy? True Happiness can only be gained through the builder!
Just because the 'street scum' don't know there happy is just showing how dumb they are.
You need to picture how someone like Karras thinks. Just because they don't know they are happy, doesn't mean they aren't. People that drink and visit the cities brothals probebly think they are happy, but Karras (as well as other Order of both Mech and Hammer) know that is not true happiness, only the builder can bring true happeness..
So again, he isn't lying ^_^
Poesta on 16/3/2009 at 16:45
Mmm, there were dead bodies at the mechanist seminary, but I don't believe that the servants have lost their souls. I believe these are death sounds?
ms1diec2.wav
'Hah hoh ... hu ... thank you...'
ms1diec4.wav
'Hah huh ... freeee ahahahaa...'
And this one:
ms1atl_1.wav
'I fall ... I am free.'
Sounds like the souls are trapped inside the bodies and want to be free (as in dead). I haven't completed all of the Thief2X missions, but I'm at the mission where Zaya wants to kidnap Kedar and remove the mask. I don't know if this will work out or if kedar will be some kind of zombie, I'll see. Of course this isn't really part of the series, but many consider it so.
ManicMan on 16/3/2009 at 16:55
i know what happens in T2X, it's a good fan mission set BUT never confuse fan ideas with offical ones at all.
anyway, them dead bodies might be dead for a number of reasons.. one i was thinking about is are there 'knocked out bodies' in thief? If they wanted a body that was knocked out and dead to the world, can you set one as an object? would it just be easier to put down a corpse..
also, if they were being procuessed, why is there no-one there? it doesn't look very automatic does it?
so i wonder if they (the corpes) were tests they failed or something like they couldn't plant a knock-out body.. i'm not quite sure about that..
