massimilianogoi on 17/3/2009 at 18:47
So, we have two differents thought streams: someone that says the Servants were a sort of mummies, and someone that says that they were alive.. Personally, I don't know in what part to stand, since I'm very new to all that said in this thread... :weird:
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The number of servants in the tanks changes with reloads,
just as the location of AIs can change with reloads, too. It's another cheat I discovered in Kidnap while waiting in ambush for Cavador coming my way, and having fun with a variety of ways to take him and his guards. Cavador may have three guards, but a quickload can change the number and formation, as well as change the location of the other AI on long patrols.:o It may have been rectified with the patch, because I haven't been able to get that to work with the current Thief 2, but it worked every time back when I was messing about in 2001 with another pre-patched copy.Too bad that I haven't that copy... maybe that thief2.exe is findable somewhere?
Meisterdieb on 17/3/2009 at 19:30
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The Servant wouldn't react to the bodies, because it's in there attending to the process--
No, I meant how AI will react to corpses even if THEY made them so. Like when some city watchmen kill a thug and as soon as the thug is dead they act shocked and surprised and go looking for the murderer. So just because it makes sense from an in-game perspective doesn't mean that the game mechanics would just go along silently.
Maybe there is an AI setting to make him oblivious to those corpses, or maybe he just cannot see them?
Herr_Garrett on 17/3/2009 at 19:42
They definitely were alive, but in an unnatural way, rather like Gollum. Their lives ended - or should have ended - when Karras and his pals started experimenting on them, but the Mechanists somehow found a way to keep the body and the soul intact, but the soul helpless and impotent within the body. The next step logically is that with those masks - slave masks - they could somehow force their will upon them, which, however weakly, the original soul tried to resist.
Have you ever talked/seen old people who have lived beyond their natural span of life? I'm sure most of us did, because an increasing number of old people do. With our modern medicine and techinques, we can prolongate life, but the question is: is it good for the soul? The body might remain hale, but the mind grows timid and falls into dotage - the Alzheimer, for just one example. What could the soul be thinking behind that mask of utter imbecility and helplessness?
My grandmother, for instance, has no Alzheimer or anything: she has heart-problems, and but for the operation, she would have died. Yet she survived, and I can see her suffering both mentally and physically, and it grows worse by the day. Is it good? Not really, she wants to die. Very sad, but this is becoming more and more common. And this is the sort of stuff unnaturally prolonged life can cause. Total distress, impotence, helplessness, loss of willpower, until only the shell (the body) remains, and the soul retreats somewhere inside, to be disgusted with and frightned of the whole thing.
At least, so I think.
ManicMan on 17/3/2009 at 20:21
erm... Alzheimer has effected alot of people from about the age 40 up.. I have nothing wrong will culling the over fourtys, goes with the 'mid-life crisis' i have so often...
^_^ anyway, i know what you mean.
Petike the Taffer on 20/3/2009 at 01:00
Three words :
Steampunk Magi-tech Cyborgs :p ;)
The servants are generally creepy in appearance and voice... I always feel a slight chill down my spine when I bump into them. They are harmless (except the armed ones from Soulforge), but they're also the best display of the industrialy-dystopic nightmarishness of the Mechanists. :erm:
As far as the mysterious Precursor masks and their reverse-engineering to Mechanist technology goes - I have no idea...
jtr7 on 20/3/2009 at 01:07
If it truly was necromancy, then that would make Karras's heresy even worse, as the Hammers abhor the undead and are plagued by it. Karras turning lemons into lemonade? A canon story excuse for the major drop in traditional undead?
massimilianogoi on 20/3/2009 at 01:43
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If it truly was necromancy, then that would make Karras's heresy even worse, as the Hammers abhor the undead and are plagued by it. Karras turning lemons into lemonade? A canon story excuse for the major drop in traditional undead?
Haha omg
massimilianogoi on 20/3/2009 at 01:47
Hmmm if they were alive, how did they get fed, with those masks on the face?
jtr7 on 20/3/2009 at 02:22
Very good point!:thumb:
Karras said they didn't eat or sleep...
...but he also said they had no wants or worries.:tsktsk:
So did they eat, or were they in a kind of stasis, or were they wasting away all along? Had to drink, anyway.
massimilianogoi on 20/3/2009 at 02:24
Of course...
Then this is the probe he's lying.
Can you tell me where he said thad they didn't eat or sleep? This "eat nor sleep" reminds me the ED-209 presentation..
