jtr7 on 23/3/2009 at 09:28
If it's even verbally communicating when it does that, but no one seems to care about anything it ever says.:cheeky:
What's that, Lassie?
*Bark bark!*
Timmy fell into the well?
*Bark!*
Let's go, girl!
Jah on 23/3/2009 at 09:33
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But then look at that one "Tell the others of this death." Which means they DO, in fact, talk to other people with stuff of note, we just don't hear it in game.
I still doubt the servants are capable of spontaneous communication out of their own free will. I see "Tell the others of this death" as a more of a programmed routine similar to what the small bots do.
Nameless Voice on 23/3/2009 at 09:42
They do communicate with other AIs to pass on information, e.g.
ms1rint1.wav "This one has seen an intruder."
ms1roth1.wav "This one has seen evidence of an intruder."
ms1rmis3.wav "Items have been removed."
ms1rbod2.wav "This one has seen a dead body."
Jah on 23/3/2009 at 11:19
I still see those as programmed routines - the servants are passing on that information because they've been programmed to do so, not as a conscious, personal decision.
ManicMan on 23/3/2009 at 11:53
Ah, but when did the fact of it being a personal decision came in? It's clearly NOT a wax recording that is sounding. And the point about the voice came as:
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Why install a mechanical voice when they have nothing to say that anyone cares to hear? All we hear is expressions of suffering and crying or the instructions to themselves.
Which has been answered. Cause they pass on information about trouble and probably a bit more what we don't hear in the game like if the dinner is ready.
Jah on 23/3/2009 at 12:50
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Ah, but when did the fact of it being a personal decision came in?
In your previous post, you said "they DO, in fact, talk to other people with stuff of note", which sounded to me like you were suggesting that they are capable of more advanced, more independent communication than the bots (I wouldn't say that bots "talk to other people about stuff of note"). Obviously the servants have a larger range of expressions (as their tasks are more diverse than those of the bots) and they're not pre-made recordings, but that only means their programming is more complex. I don't believe the servants are any more capable of acting or communicating independently, or "intelligently", than robots. Or maybe I just misunderstood what you meant in the first place.
Gambit on 23/3/2009 at 13:21
The servant's reaction is likely "programmed code" inserted in their brains.
Like:
IF: {Dead body on your path}
THEN: {Start INTRUDER function: [Alert your masters] }
ELSE: {Keep your routine}
ManicMan on 23/3/2009 at 14:00
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In your previous post, you said "they DO, in fact, talk to other people with stuff of note", which sounded to me like you were suggesting that they are capable of more advanced, more independent communication than the bots (I wouldn't say that bots "talk to other people about stuff of note"). Obviously the servants have a larger range of expressions (as their tasks are more diverse than those of the bots) and they're not pre-made recordings, but that only means their programming is more complex.
Ah, okay ^_^ I more meant things like 'There's a Dead Body', or 'Dinner's ready' which would be programmed.. I see what you mean though.
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I don't believe the servants are any more capable of acting or communicating independently, or "intelligently", than robots. Or maybe I just misunderstood what you meant in the first place.
In a way, they are though.. I don't think they were programmed to say 'Help Me' and 'Thank you'... Anyone hear read the books based on the great game series 'Descent'? I picture it a bit like Mind wiping, the 'body' keeps hold of a few final bits of the person, like 'Help me' (which they might have been saying at time of death) because it's clear there is something of the person for lines such as that to be said.
Jah on 23/3/2009 at 14:34
The servants do seem to have some level of consciousness and awareness of their condition, as evidenced by the fact that they express feelings of pain and suffering. The exact nature of their suffering is hard to tell - do they feel actual physical pain, or just mental suffering from the fact that they've been turned into marionettes without a free will of their own, with someone else controlling their movements and actions? We also don't know for certain how absolute the Mechanists' "mind control" over the servants is: Are they incapable of even thinking about disobeying orders or acting independently, or are they simply restrained from saying or doing anything their masters don't want them to, even if they have the desire and intention? The whimpering and the "thank you" sigh when they're killed would suggest the latter.
massimilianogoi on 23/3/2009 at 17:45
Quote Posted by ManicMan
But then look at that one "Tell the others of this death." Which means they DO, in fact, talk to other people with stuff of note, we just don't hear it in game.
Hmmm... this couldn't be just simply advising someone else running to him?
