What need to be improved from Thief: Deadly Shadows?

Andarthiel on 4/7/2010 at 02:01

Quote Posted by sparkle_motion

I want the SWORD back!

Why? Isn't the whole point of a stealth game, not to be caught and kill silently. I barely used the sword in T1 and T2 because I had the blackjack and bow(that's all you really need to take guards out at the basic level. If you're fencing with the guards then you're playing the game wrong(unless it's for a laugh then that''s understandable).
Although I do agree about the larger maps, burricks and movement speed.
Oh and also bring back the Rope Arrows, that is all.

Koki on 4/7/2010 at 08:54

Well not to spoil the games for you Andarthiel but if you'd continue to play beyond first mission you'd meet a lot of [spoiler]hostile undead, hostile animals and chaos beasts[/spoiler] against which sword definitely came in handy.

Also check "Poll series:Weapons/Inventory" for overly long discussion on the sword topic

ZylonBane on 4/7/2010 at 15:32

Quote Posted by Andarthiel

Why? Isn't the whole point of a stealth game, not to be caught and kill silently.

The point is that a dagger is an assassin's weapon. Garrett carries a shortsword around to defend himself if he gets detected.

Beleg Cúthalion on 4/7/2010 at 18:40

Yeah. And a short bow. And a short cape. Probably short boots as well. Because only warriors use the long version.

Gvozdika on 4/7/2010 at 18:47

Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion

Yeah. And a short bow. And a short cape. Probably short boots as well. Because only warriors use the long version.

:thumb:

R Soul on 4/7/2010 at 20:48

The sword, whatever its length, is also good at sorting out the undead and other monsters Garrett might have to fend off. If you don't want to use supplies against a zombie, you can at least knock it down. I wouldn't fancy doing that with a dagger.

ZylonBane on 4/7/2010 at 23:27

Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion

Yeah. And a short bow. And a short cape. Probably short boots as well. Because only warriors use the long version.

Thank you for making the world a more dumberer place.

Gvozdika on 5/7/2010 at 06:43

Its not his fault that you dont get it.

No matter how much emphasis is put on the 'short' in the sword when it is obviously same size with those the guards carry around. Its not a stealth weapon by any means.

That doesnt make it unfit for the game per se as there may well be missions where a stealth approach is not important nor desired, and rightfully so. But to characterize it as standard thieving equipment is - at best - comical.

Platinumoxicity on 5/7/2010 at 08:10

Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion

Yeah. And a short bow. And a short cape. Probably short boots as well. Because only warriors use the long version.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0)
oh and by the way, all the bows in the games are short bows. I don't know if a real "short sword" exists, but a short bow does. And I think Garrett really did wear a short cape in TDS. Really, reeeally short cape. :p

Quote Posted by Gvozdika

No matter how much emphasis is put on the 'short' in the sword when it is obviously same size with those the guards carry around. Its not a stealth weapon by any means.

That doesnt make it unfit for the game per se as there may well be missions where a stealth approach is not important nor desired, and rightfully so. But to characterize it as standard thieving equipment is - at best - comical.

If you look at how Garrett is holding the sword when blocking you can see that it's really small. The blade is about 50cm. But anyway it's not "characterized as standard thiefing equipment". (Even though all the other Thieves in the entire series also have swords, but I guess that's irrelevant isn't it?) ...No it's not standard thiefing equipment. It's Garrett's personal standard equipment. He has the sword because he's good at using it. He isn't good at using the dagger that's for sure. With all that "death screams and blood from impaling innocent people's shoulders".

Beleg Cúthalion on 5/7/2010 at 11:41

There should be a quite large discussion about short swords in here; boiled down my opinion is that the less-weight-for-more-speed-and-less-damage thinking is purely RPG-based (because no sane person [that is, a person who knows about fencing etc.] would shorten any kind of melee weapon just for that reason) and distorts any factual discussion about it. Oh yes, and gameplay laws aren't always negatively affected by reality.

Speaking of distortion:

Quote Posted by ZylonBane

The point is that a dagger is an assassin's weapon. Garrett carries a shortsword around to defend himself if he gets detected.

This is it. This is either...
1. ...completely ignoring that dozens of people in the middle ages wearing daggers weren't assassins (which itself is an ex-post pseudo "job title") and that you cannot describe a sword as a defence weapon unless you include smashing every pursuer's head within the meaning of "defence", left aside that it is probably the most unthievy tool of last resort in the Thief games if we're speaking about the usual thievy environment... or...
2. ...you are considering only existent (no matter how far distorted to fit computer gameplay) video game realities as serious inspiration for other computer games; rather mangling one certain element twice (e.g. giving a hiding and crawling thief a sword and then shorten it and ignore its cumbersome attitude to make it thievy again) than accepting a straight element from the real world which would work without any mutilation (e.g. giving him a dagger instead). If - on the other hand - you're taking the weapon implementation of TDP and TDS as examples, you are ignoring that these are by no means the only ways. It would be quite a paradox to describe the TDS dagger poorly implemented and at the same time argue that (because of that) daggers are generally inferior.

This is actually dumberer than my comment because it disguises itself (badly IMHO) as serious argument but is in fact just a blinker-wearing retarded computer game result.

Quote Posted by Platinumox.

He has the sword because he's good at using it. He isn't good at using the dagger that's for sure. With all that "death screams and blood from impaling innocent people's shoulders".

And this probably assumes that all the Garrett-is-no-fighter statements and the whole idea why TDP was different in the first place are wrong. The dagger doesn't make him a better fighter, that's right. It makes him a better thief. (Assuming he's not hunting zombies in far away caves all the time.)