Krumm on 30/8/2008 at 17:37

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Hullo chaps, just thought I'd force my opinion on you :D.

IMHO New Horizon and associated viewpoints are totally correct.

Thief is not a game. It is most definitely not a simulation.

It *is* a beautiful, beautiful system. Think of a living organism (yes i know this is a rather tired cliche). The thief system is the skeleton, the bones. (you are presented with a mansion full of guards and treasure - of course you know what to do). The flesh is the story and mythology created by looking glass (why have you come to this mansion in particular). The skin is your own imagination affecting gameplay, and your vision of the world beyond the missions.

The bones provide structure to the entire organism and underlie everything else. The story helps you form impressions about the broader world and the characters.

So if you fuck around with the system (people get back up after being ko'd, for example) you fuck everything up.

EDIT: i seem to have killed this thread :joke:

Kin on 2/9/2008 at 11:35

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This kind of dialogue is very funny and good. I imagine Stephen Russell saying those lines:laff:
At the end of the dialogue i imagined instinctively a blackjack "thumb" sound and Benny lying on the floor

incal on 2/9/2008 at 22:43

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Yes , we just need the right someone.

I don't understand , how can they seriously consider making a new thief game without knowing anything about the people who still play them , and their opinions ?

Do they even know about fan missions ? Or have they ever played some of the best ones ?
I found the ttlg forums while searching for FMs (and walkthrough for those ) .

Neb on 3/9/2008 at 04:26

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Perhaps the developers would be disheartened at extensive criticism, but I doubt that the publisher would take it personally. Surely to some extent, the dislike here for both TDS and DX:IW was mirrored generally with their lower sales? If that's the case then it's possibly a reason for the publisher to pay attention. The point of making a sequel is to assure some sales through familiarity, so appealing to veterans is one of the priorities, but that goes wrong when they try to make the IP "NEW™, EXCITING™, NEXT-GEN™, SO MUCH FUN YOUR SPLEEN WILL EXPLODE™".

Also, it seems like TTLG is the broader audience in terms of demographics, but not neccessarily the optimal one. But yeah, I get what you mean.

P.s - As a male in the 18-25 age range I apologise on behalf of my fellow demographians for the incessant shooty-bang-bling littering the market.

Syndef on 3/9/2008 at 05:36

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Yeah. No kidding. It seems like the boatloads of games that publishers release every year are all of the same "shoot-em-to-bits-but-put-in-one-thing-that's different-so-that-you-can-tell-it-apart-from-the-others" type. The best thing I can appreciate from Thief is that you are not given the power to kill hundreds of people in the same day. Assassin's Creed? Nice game, but Altair can depopulate Jerusalem in less than a half-hour. Not only that, but the AI in there is more like AR. Anyway, I digress...

I doubt that Eidos-Montreal will leave Thief alone when they see THIS many fans dedicated to the series. That's just too much money to pass up. So if the DO decide to make Thief IV, they should...*long post alert*

...let the player look through keyholes.
...include equipment upgrades (like having better tools/weapons availible for purchase, or having them given over the course of the game. I'm not talking about granting new abilities like being able to see glyphs or blow up rust mites. I'm talking about being able to buy a crossbow for example. Or a blacked-out dagger--anything so that you're not stuck with the same equipment for the whole game).
...bring back edible food (like in TMA where you had 1/4 chance of regaining one health bar).
...bring back the rope arrow (no vine arrows, 'cause Viki is dead).
...bring back the ability to pick-pocket arrows from bowmen guards.
...put the locks on or under the door handle (I have never seen a door with its lock located dead center, and besides, it looks unusual).
...remove the lockpicking minigame (eliminate ALL forms of visual aid--let us use our ears ONLY).
...replace the blackjack that was used in TDS because it looks like...um...yeah...you know...a bumpy dildo
...increase the diversity of tools, potions, and equipment.
...bring back the ability for broadheads to create distractions.
...allow the player to be swim.
...make prettier loot.
...make it so that I don't have to fence...um...money.
...bring back the original frob (in TDP and TMA, the textures of the objects actually brightened, whereas in TDS, I think an overlay was used with no change in the texture's brightness)
...remove the loot glint (this is a delicate issue because in TDP and TMA, it was easy to confuse junk for loot while in TDS, it was too obvious what (and where) was loot--my idea is to simply make loot look like...loot)
...make the player BUY the compass. Actually, make the player buy the MAPS and (don't kill me, please) LIGHT GEM, too (it's just a a mineral that reflects light, right?). By forcing us to buy things we take for granted, we will be encouraged to steal more or save up more.
...fix the economy (two flashbombs have the same value as...the Bloodline Opal?).
...let me put stuff down without being forced to either drop it on the floor or throw it across the room (my suggestion for this is to implement a system where you press and hold the right mouse button to pick up and hold an object, and by moving the mouse around, the object will also move. This allows you to set the junk down. If you want to let go of the object, just let go of the right mouse button. If you want to throw it, just press the left mouse button while you're holding the object. We can apply a similiar system to doors to allow the player to open and close doors gently instead of busting 'em open and slamming them shut all the time).
...improve the violence--this means doing things like having slash marks on people you slashed and arrows getting stuck in the poor saps you shot (come on, admit it--there are days when you went on a murderous rampage throughout the City "just to see what happens", right?).
...implement realistic locational damage
...make people look different (I saw Marla Madison friggin' EVERYWHERE).

Whew. What an essay. Forgive me, it has been four years since I last posted here, and I am quite excited. I was member "Cobra189", but during my long inactive state, I...um...forgot my password, so I was forced to create a new account. I discovered that no matter how long I stopped playing Thief, I always came back to it eventually.