gunsmoke on 21/1/2011 at 13:30

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Yeah I did like 5 of those. Most of the rest of them seemed worthless, or skippable at best.

Nedan on 22/1/2011 at 04:07

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When I said "fixed"... you did figure out the blatantly obvious point that I wasn't really refering to bugs? Personally, I fully agree with (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134585&p=2043812&viewfull=1#post2043812) steo & I also agree with (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134585&p=2043245&viewfull=1#post2043245) EvaUnit02 on the fact that the game is annoyingly "populated by 2D cartoon characters and everything is governed by blatantly black and white morality."

These things about the game annoyed me when I played Fallout3. So far... I have yet to see a mod or a group of mods for that matter that completely overhauls all of these aspects of the game. But, by all means, if you know of a mod (or mods) that does... point me in the direction.

To put it bluntly, I did not have too great of a time playing through F3. It's not really a bad game per se, but my opinion of it is not really that high as I could easily take it or leave it. But playing NV so far has been a hell of a lot better. It comes off as a more deeper RPG to me (so far... haven't defeated it yet). It has its own share of problems (what game doesn't nowadays?), but nothing along the lines of what F3 had that bothered me.

PigLick on 22/1/2011 at 15:11

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What happened to Nedan?

twisty on 23/1/2011 at 01:37

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As far as I am concerned, I recommended that Digi try NV in response to his admission that he just couldn't get into F3. I wasn't claiming that F3 is a lesser game, but it might have something in it that grabs his interest earlier on.

ercles on 23/1/2011 at 07:07

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Are you spoonerising you're French there? Also, unnecessarily throwing around foreign phrases (ciao!) is up there with using "ipso facto" all the time in douche moves.

I personally preferred Fallout 3, just because it was the only time I actually didn't feel like the lack of population was particularly jarring. Megaton, Tenpenny Tower, even Rivet City all felt far more alive than anywhere I visited in New Vegas, which felt incredibly empty. This was especially the case in New Vegas itself, which reminded me a lot of Oblivion's attempts to sell a place as being hustle bustle, but instead just looked like some lonely strippers dancing around on an empty street.

I realise that this is supposed to be a postapocalyptic wasteland, but that doesn't mean that everywhere has to be empty, in fact, I think quite the opposite. Surely if the wasteland is so inhospitable, the areas that are comparibly safe would be jam packed with people seeking refuge, like Megaton's crazy "houses built fucking everywhere" setup. In my experience, making these safe zones far more lively meant that stepping outside of them, and discovering new towns, was a far more significant experience.

I think the other problem that I had with New Vegas was just that I knew what the hell was going on by that point, I remember my first few hours in Fallout 3 being utterly disorienting, and being terrified of leaving Megaton because I wasn't sure I'd make it anywhere without dying.

Although the morality aspects of New Vegas were more nuanced than Fallout 3, and the factions were interesting, I still don't think there was that much grey area, especially in the main storyline. The game makes it pretty clear from early on that Caesar's Legion are just plain evil, and Mr House isn't much better. So you're basically left with the options of going with our without the NCR, who admittedly are a lot more complex than any of the other factions. Outside of the main storyline there are a lot more interesting things going on, I'll certainly give the game that.