june gloom on 20/7/2012 at 00:05
Neither have I dohohoho
Tocky on 20/7/2012 at 03:02
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You've said some pretty stupid things over the years and I've given you slack 'cuz you usually make up for it, but god dammit if I don't want to punch you in the existence right now.
Heh. So you understand how I feel when people glibly dismiss what I like eh? I'll tell you why I like it though. It's a struggle to hold onto society when the checks against bad behavior have slipped. Civilization exists inside us while outside it no longer does. It walks a narrow beam over certain death balancing better nature with brutal neccessity. How precious are ideals? How vital? What can you cast aside and still be human? The comic exposed these things less well and indeed I have doubts the medium can. A single frame with limited space for words verses all the frames and words a filmed episode may contain? So little room for nuance whereas I've seen film best a novel and that takes some doing.
I do admit to seeing parallels with Rick and my own experiences in striving to hold on to my better self in the face of what I know must be done. I loved that bar scene. I felt the moment of turn inside when he had to let go of what he prized in himself for protection of those he cares for. In the space of a half second you go through a dozen possibles and decide the only thing you can. There is a kind of horror to that alone before anything is actual. So Rick isn't as likable with his compromises as things progress? I like him fine. I like him human instead of a series of pannels which can startle but never convey the eternity in a moment of decision.
But hey, if folks want to watch a fly in a meth lab for an entire episode have at. I love Breaking Bad too but it isn't so much better at low key thoughtful. Think of the over the top explosions in it as well.
The Alchemist on 20/7/2012 at 04:31
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Opeth
I love you.
june gloom on 20/7/2012 at 05:36
The last two albums are fucking terrible and Ghost Reveries is only passable. All else is fantastic though. Still want in my pants?
The Alchemist on 20/7/2012 at 07:22
Yes, and I agree. Well, I'm not as harsh, but I ride Mikaels dick so...
I've seen them live twice, once they played mostly older stuff, and one they were pushing Ghost Reveries. The GR one was good but did not compare to the older stuff we know and love as Opeth.
june gloom on 21/7/2012 at 04:41
I saw 'em live twice too. The 2nd time was a show to remember -- Devin Townsend (just before he went into semi-retirement) and Dark Tranquillity (when all was said and done, I realized it was them I'd come to see) opened, and Opeth played a load of stuff off Deliverance and Blackwater Park, my two favourite albums. Amazing show.
Yakoob on 22/7/2012 at 00:03
Oh god
SHUT UP ABOUT GODDAMN METAL WE DONT NEED 10TH FUCKING THREAD GOING INTO THE SAME BULLSHIT ARGUMENTS OVER AND OVER (from both sides)
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On the contrary my good sir, I was quite entertained by the series. Were you a fan of the original source?
I never read the originals, but heard a lot of good things about it, tho.
As for the show and deep characters... I dont know, they seem very archetypial to me - here's the leader figure struggling between making tough decision, the redneck, an annoying kid, the obligatory pacifist guy, etc. But I WILL give you that they do have more personality beneath these archetypes. But my beef is, I don't find any of these personalities very likable; on the contrary, they actually make me angry watching their actions.
I kept flipping out through season 2 because its basically about
a surprisingly well surviving farm the guys show up and proceed to CONTINUOUSLY FUCK SHIT UP at every step of the way. First the kid gets shot, then they get other guy killed, then the redneck guy gets almost killed, then they bring a captive and risk getting attacked, then they decide to open the guys barn and release the zombies, etc. etc. etc.. I kept wondering why Hershell (sp?) allows them to stay with them considering every single action they take is utterly retarded and only serves to fuck shit up, get someone killed, waste precious resources (particularly medical) or generally endanger the farm.Now granted, the zombie apocalypse isn't exactly conducive to making rational and logical choices but, god damn, do these people need to keep running around like total headless chickens all the goddamn time?
Yakoob on 22/7/2012 at 01:15
As much as I hate your dismissive, bullshit comebacks, I must admit they at least tend to be pretty amusing dismissive bullshit comebacks :D
Tocky on 22/7/2012 at 04:07
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As for the show and deep characters... I dont know, they seem very archetypial to me - here's the leader figure struggling between making tough decision, the redneck, an annoying kid, the obligatory pacifist guy, etc. But I WILL give you that they do have more personality beneath these archetypes. But my beef is, I don't find any of these personalities very likable; on the contrary, they actually make me angry watching their actions.
You realize they had to follow the archtypes already laid out in the comic right? The story too follows it loosely. They couldn't go so far off track as to piss off the given fan base. I hope it diverges more but I'm satisfied so far. Given thier pre-apocalypse personalities I think things sifted out about as they had to given a surprise or two here and there. Certain ones piss me off as in real life certain ones do. Often though, I find that those who anger me most make it the most interesting as well. They are impetus. They are spice in a bland stew.
Sometimes though... arg. Shane. That was painful. He was given so many chances but a horrible end is all that can happen with some unless there is a complete seperation. The fight at the school and the way it ended (how could anyone not like the uncertainty of the end?) had me thinking maybe he would come around but then he would not be Shane if he had. I had a buddy like that. I fist fought him more than anyone ever. I tried to make it work. I too forgave more than I should. I stopped him hitting his wife and then had to face down a knife even. It doesn't work no matter how long you have been friends sometimes. On the plus side there were no zombies with us. Still, I do empathize. It made me understand the difficulty Rick faced and the conflicting emotions, the teeth grinding frustration, the indecision, the anger, the hurt. The farm? The farm couldn't last. Not forever. It was a dream in a world of harsh reality. Hershel understood that in the end. The denoughment of the barn opening was fan damn tastic. Much better than how it was treated in the comic. There are epiphanies scattered about for those who can see them. Sure they pissed in that perfect nest. They wanted it too. They still do. Safe harbor in madness. They still hope in the face of thier collective weakness to find collective strength. It's interesting to see how it shakes out. You know it is.