Gimodon@sonic.net on 2/9/2010 at 16:18
Is it like another dimension or just a cave somewhere?
PotatoGuy on 2/9/2010 at 17:49
I've always considered it to be somewhere under the earth, but not in another dimension. Just because things are really strange there, doesn't mean it can't exist in Thief's world, because well...Thief's world is weird itself already. Jtr probably has the correct answer though.
On a side note, it's better to combine all your questions than starting multiple threads for one simple question. (
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting) Reading the manual might help too.
Yandros on 2/9/2010 at 21:20
Thanks for that, PG! I hadn't seen that one in a while.
jtr7 on 3/9/2010 at 00:17
It's simply below ground, for the most part. And parts of it are so far away, portals are the common method for the denizens to travel. Now then, there's the Heartsmaw--the Heart of the Maw--that the fiction implies is in its own dimension. The Eye was going to be used to, not bring the Heartsmaw to The City, but project a likeness of it, and create a new reality in The City's plane, and was a separate deal than the area the elemental portal connected to, where from the Beast foetuses came through to hatch and march into The City.
Gimodon@sonic.net on 3/9/2010 at 01:56
How did Garret and the Hammers know where it was I wonder?
jtr7 on 3/9/2010 at 03:04
It was the Keepers who knew where the entrance to where Con and the elemental portal were, if it wasn't the part the beasts were marching out of and laying siege to the Hammerite Temple from below.
The Keepers provided the map, the map has Glyphs on it, and the story has the Keepers telling him he's the one to go in after Con. The Glyph Prophecies would tell all they needed to know.
Gimodon@sonic.net on 3/9/2010 at 04:46
If they already knew all that why didn't they just tell him not to give the thing to the Constantine?
jtr7 on 3/9/2010 at 04:55
Because The One was supposed to get The Eye, and as we now know, for that to happen, the Keepers were already corrupt. Orland and Draco and others, with Gamall's manipulations, toppled the Order into terrible imbalance. Gamall is centuries old and yet her corruption wasn't enough to require wiping out the whole Order until Garrett's time. The Prophecies were not making themselves known to the Interpreters before their time, and Caduca was the one who had the clues, but only as the writings revealed themselves to her, and she would've been able to stop Garrett and Gamall, if Gamall hadn't hidden key writings from her and those who could read them. Caduca found out, but the Glyphs were already setting up the failsafe, and they cooked Caduca before she could say anything, so the Final Glyph could be initiated unhindered, to end the corruption, the privilege was utterly lost.
When Garrett left the Keepers, they almost sent the Enforcers after him to erase him, but Caduca read that he had some unknown purpose, so they waited at each point along the way, and they saw that he was the indeed the "thief" the Glyphs said would prevent the coming Dark Age, they held off and reluctantly kept tabs on him to see what would happen, and so, after that first rescue, they waited a long time for the important stuff to happen. Finally, when Garrett had jumped through several major hurdles, including freeing The Eye, they ended up rescuing him again when he was left to die, and rather than giving him a rest and a health potion, they pushed him along his path and forced him to glimpse what the future held if he didn't heed the Glyph warnings he was already sick and tired of, knowing the Glyphs never lied and Garrett wouldn't die. Garrett had been tested by The Eye itself at the Cathedral, after he successfully reacquired the Elemental Talismans, and later, having had his own eye used to fuel The Eye, attuning them to one another, he was unwittingly sealed in a blood bond the Trickster was oblivious to, and fulfilled the second and almost most important major step of the Pact with the ancient Keepers. Garrett was rescued by Caduca's readings, time and again, with assertions the "thief" needed to stay alive to prevent each Dark Age as they occurred, with each one only only being revealed as each one inevitably came along, and not before. The Keepers and other fortune-tellers, like Viktoria, Dyan, and Carmen Cantanta, saw his importance at different times as they were revealed to them in visions or writings, and they placed helpful items and knowledge along his predicted path, much to his repeated chagrin.
Fidcal on 3/9/2010 at 04:58
Quote Posted by PotatoGuy
...it's better to combine all your questions than starting multiple threads for one simple question.
How does the poster always know if his short question has a simple (ie short) answer or not? I've never seen any advantage in combining multiple topics in one thread. It seems kind of auto-off-topic to me. Trying to read through a thread where every other post is about a different topic is not helpful imo.
By posting separate threads, [email]Gimodon@sonic.net[/email] has neatly organized each discussion separately which makes for easier reading and searching. It means we need only read the topics we are interested in and pass over the ones we are not.
PotatoGuy on 3/9/2010 at 06:26
You are right, but the best solution still would be to search for an existing thread first.