DJ Riff on 25/9/2007 at 06:48
Karras did the mechanical eye for Garrett. Chances are that he also worked on fake-eye bomb as he was a very talented engineer.
Karras didn't want to destroy The City. He wanted it to be more "good and clean". People and other organic creatures were an obstacle to this, so they had to be destroyed.
jtr7 on 25/9/2007 at 07:04
[SPOILER]The Necrotic Mutox would've destroyed all the wood in all the buildings it could get into, it would've destroyed The City. Karras even encouraged at least one noble (Gervaisius) to put more plants in his house, even after Gervaisius was giving him masks and cultivators (before Garrett filched 'em).[/SPOILER]
nicked on 25/9/2007 at 11:38
yeah, but using wood as a building material at all is against mechanist principles. Karras would have figured that the buildings that fell down were weak and unworthy.
Elentari on 25/9/2007 at 20:07
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Yes there was an area in strange bed fellows that was marked on the map as 'seige' and there was battle sounds coming from through the window/hole in the wall where the hammer gives you the map and key. So yeah I get it that it's the hammers that know everything.
Well I don't think they know everything. . .but the Eye WAS housed in a Hammerite temple for an unspecified amount of time. They did know it was a magical artifact - there were notes around the old cathedral indicating that much. And, as Mikael Grizzly mentioned, its not unheard of that they made sketches of it etc. Probably when the majority of them fled that cathedral when the catastrophy (or whatever it was) occurred, they could very well have brought those with them.
And yes, I do think most of them got away alive with that. There were casualties, yes. . .but the place was not riddled with enough corpses for a full cathedral of any sort. If they had any indication that it was the Eye that caused that, I would think they would have snatched up their notes on it. You notice we find very little on the Eye itself while we're there. :) Despite a full (and rotting library).
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Also surely it wouldn't have been in the tricksters best interest to have it lead anywhere but a forest. To have the portal in the maw bringing in the monsters from god knows where, then float them up to the top of the maw then through another portal that leads to the real world, only it comes out into a hammer temple :p oops
No kidding! On the other hand, why was the temple being attacked to start with? Was there any reason given behind that? I don't remember. If the Trickster was after something, there might have been a bigger purpose to having the portal open there. . .Also, there's a big possibility that he views his ratty-bug creatures as meat shields and does not care how many he loses, so long as he gets what he wants.
I am also going on the assumption that there were FAR more creatures coming up, and far more Hammerites to meet them than we saw. The whole game seems a bit empty compared to what I would think the place would be like. They set these Hammerite places up as cathedrals with fully manned barracks etc, yet when it comes down to it there are very few people around. . .I am guessing thats just a game issue to simplify it down. (I'd hope. Thats an awful lot of expense for so few people! lol)
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http://img93.exs.cx/img93/2706/lengua9ep.gif Its true! We sit here and examine the thing in great detail as if it matters, and I really doubt the creators went to that much effort to piece it all together. On the flip side. . .its great to do that. I love it. I like 'making it work' so it could work in a real life situation - assuming it was real somewhere. . .sometime. :D
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That would be interesting, but there's nothing to support it. I don't think that Karras had anything to do with the Trickster incident, rather that he transferred from another city. I don't think that any hammer who survived the assault would try to destroy the city they fought for.
That is assuming Karras was at all sane. Which has sort of been established that he was most definitely
not. Also, it does not make sense that he transferred from elsewhere, when it has been clearly stated that he made Garrett's mech eye. . .which means he was there at that time, long enough to have a clue what was going on, and long enough that he could build the thing. I would not be surprised if the mech eye had actually been in production before the incident with Viktoria. . .and they chose to give it to Garrett. No doubt he's not the first person to lose his eye and who better to test it on than someone no one will care about if it goes wrong? (On the other hand, that might be reading more into their motives than is actually there. lol It has been mentioned Karras hoped to win Garrett to his side with that eye.) But, anyway, I do see that its well possible that Karras is the one to have either made or designed the fake Eye. It sort of would make sense.
Just out of curiosity, while we're on it. . .How did the fake Eye know when to go off if it was just a clever piece of engineering? Was it an actual bomb that Garrett triggered when he swapped them? Or was there some sort of magic involved in that as well? The Builder's magic, perhaps? I know, I know, that could open a whole new debate on whether the Trickster was actuall a god or a demigod or merely some demon (or both) and who has the power to kill him and whether or not he's truly dead, etc. lol But I am curious how the thing might have, logically, worked.
Shadak on 26/9/2007 at 07:42
Maybe they just designed it to blow up when agitated a lot, such as the power of a large spell flowing through it would do.
