Gimodon@sonic.net on 29/8/2007 at 01:12
One walkthrough I read said the Trickster did but that doesn't make sense because why would he need you to steal the eye if the undead work for him?
jtr7 on 29/8/2007 at 01:42
That theory may have been spawned by misinformation, such as is found in the Novice Keeper's Lexicon. It's an old fan-favorite that's since been argued away, for the most part. Although, TDS has a Pagan shaman using a wand to spawn zombies, deriving power from plants, which may or may not have anything to do with the Trickster making it possible.
Necromancy and/or necromantic energy comes from multiple sources in The City.
Azaran the Cruel, the Necromancer and former Hand Mage (likely a student of the Earth element), used the Book of Ash to do some creepy necromancy.
The Eye is oft credited with having something to do with the Cataclysm and subsequent undead in the Old Quarter, but that's not necessarily so.
There's a theory that the Thieves' Reward in or around the Bonehoard is where the zombies down there came from. Taffers thrown into a pit with lye, or something like that. Wouldn't that make them soapy, though?:p
The mines below Cragscleft prison haven't been explained. It could make sense that the Trickster had turned the miners into zombies, or set zombies upon the miners for carving up His earth, BUT there's no proof.
TDS and certain missions in TDP/Gold emphasize the theory that where there be Hammerheads, pagans or servants of chaos/nature will antagonize them with all manner of monstrosities.
There's no single answer.
Jeshibu on 29/8/2007 at 10:01
About that book... does the fact that after Garrett reads it, zombies appear mean that he reads everything out loud, or that you just need to think the incantation to use it?
And about the mines, maybe zombies just like dark, wet places like that an naturally congregate to them? Although that would mean climbing a mountain in this case...
Peanuckle on 29/8/2007 at 23:12
I can just see a group of zombies pulling a "homeward bound" style adventure to get to a swampy cave. :D
But yeah, I think that there are multiple sources of zombie-raising. Having one entity do it wouldn't explain the diverse locations of them. They'd be all massed together, probably for an assault on the city like in the Cataclysm.
jtr7 on 29/8/2007 at 23:31
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I can just see a group of zombies pulling a "homeward bound" style adventure to get to a swampy cave.
:D
With Michael J. Fox making zombie sounds that tug at the heart strings and make you feel sorry for the undead's plight.
Solabusca on 30/8/2007 at 03:13
If you take a look at the chart in the Book of Ash, as well as pay attention to the Trickster's ritual, you'll see that there seems to be multiple strata of magic, Elemental (earth, air, water, fire) and meta-elemental (dark, light, life).
Magical energies crystallize where they gather (ie, form the elemental crystals - air in high places where the wind breaks, water in pools and rivers, etc, etc).
From that, one can extrapolate that perhaps zombies can form 'naturally' where dark energy coalesces. Similarly, a necromancer deals with the focusing of necromantic energy - infusing a corpse with it.
As to the Eye - given that it seems to be an enormously powerful artefact, it's likely that the Hammerite tinkering with it, the cause of the Old Quarter disaster, may have released a wave of dark energy, animating the corpses in the catacombs, and converting many of the brothers and residents into zombies and/or haunts.
At least, that's my take on it. Given the similarities between the magic system described and the old Warhammer magic strata, it seems apropos.
.j.
jtr7 on 30/8/2007 at 03:25
Whee!
If the Hammers were messing with The Eye too much, it may have killed two or three birds with one stone:
It may have turned the Hammers into wandering/patrolling monsters, thereby immediately protecting itself from the Hammers, and effectively scaring away others who would've come around. It would remain secure until its time would come to serve its purposes.
I wonder if undead "form" roughly similiar to the way the elemental crystals "form". Water crystals in water, reanimation in corpses....
Solabusca on 30/8/2007 at 03:47
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I wonder if undead "form" roughly similiar to the way the elemental crystals "form". Water crystals in water, reanimation in corpses....
Well, given that we find a number of 'naturally' occurring undead over the course of the series, it seems like it's a valid assumption - they seem to form in Bonehoard, in the cemetery in AMB/TTC, and a few other places. Even after the Pagan using the Necromancer's Wand is neutralized, there are still dead things walking through the Fort Ironwood catacombs (although that may also be caused by residual energies leeching through from the nearby walled section).
Anyways, it seems to fit.
.j.
jtr7 on 30/8/2007 at 03:50
The failsafe could...NOT...fail!
jtr7 on 30/8/2007 at 07:21
Look at how people react to the sight of a mere skunk!
My god what an over-reaction....:tsktsk:
:D
Honestly!
