ravoll on 23/11/2009 at 09:22
As far as video games promoting violence goes,I never bought the stories.
I have to think about how everytime some school kid takes his dad's gun to school and mows down his classmates,the investigations always reveal violent video games on his or her P.C..Nobody ever reveals the crime and violence he or she may have been exposed to in the music or the T.V. they hear and see now days.30 years ago ,when some poor sap killed himself,it was contributed to heavy metal,.(i.e. Judas Priest's "Stained Class".I remember that very well).
Today ,society shifts the blame from themselves,to "video games". Not one time do you hear how these kids were maybe outkasts in school,beaten up ,bullied,and ridiculed by the teachers.Thats kept quiet.Just the poor kid that nobody liked.The quiet ones.When you are physically and mentally beaten down you are "quiet".
I bet if if investigators would dig deeper into the on campus behavour of the teachers and students killed by these psycopaths, it would reveal a few more problems than just video games.
I'm not condoning violence in any way,I was just wondering if anyone else thinks like I do.
It just bothered me to hear crap like that over a harmless video game while CNN shows dead baby's in the streets of Irak and the rest of the free world is wallowing in decadence.
jtr7 asked in the quotes thread about our theories as to why Karras is the way he is.I'm sure Karras' problems are society itself.
clearing on 23/11/2009 at 10:09
Quote Posted by ravoll
to see a game review on MTV-Germany's "Game One". Showcased was the Dark Project.
MTV video archives exist somewhere online?
Beleg Cúthalion on 23/11/2009 at 12:02
These guys once had a "very personal and subjective" top ten list of video games with Day of the Tentacle as the best, so they're probably not overly stupid or even lack their sense of humor.
For me this is very simple: Thief was probably the first game that made them think about violence and moral. :)
ravoll on 23/11/2009 at 12:17
Here's the link.The Dark Project starts at about 7:58 and runs to 9:50 Or about.Draw your own conclusions please.I only caught the tail end but what I got out of it was enough for me.
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http://gameone.de/tv/112)
Platinumoxicity on 23/11/2009 at 16:04
Quote Posted by Herr_Garrett
Platinum, your statements are not true. Or, more precisely, aren't true when talking about, well, the
plebs. Thinking people, of course, do realise that what they play is a game, and will not commit such atrocities in real life.
But the plebs will. They think it's a sort of reality (because they have no concept of
reality at the first place, so for them, everything will do), and the more the play (and from the more early age), the will begin to confuse the two. It's called 'simulated reality', or 'stimulated reality'. They lose grasp of what is real and what isn't - in fact, everything will become real. And then you have kids jumping out from windows thinking they can fly, trying to trucks, shooting/stabbing etc., each other, and so forth.
It's hard to prove that none of those cases are related to video games or movies, but there's absolutely no way to prove that they are related to them. And without proof, all you have is lies until they're proven true. No case of violence can be directly linked to entertainment.
Namdrol on 23/11/2009 at 16:47
While I agree you can't prove links and I tend to agree that games may provide a safety valve of some sort, (but too people with tendencies anyway), you can't say that if you can't prove a truth it is a lie. That is nonsense logic.
But on the subject, look at screwed up, violent periods in history, or on the planet right now, where there where no video games, films etc.
But I also can't help feeling that violence is a desensitising thing however it's represented.
Thor on 23/11/2009 at 16:52
Now I'm pretty convinced, that everything with "MTV" in it is pretty much the core of mass retardation.
Though I do disagree, that Happy Tree Friends turns brain into a mush. :p
Actually, I came to realise, that it does influence a mind, if only on the level, where you can think, that sadistic violence can be funny, if not real. Well, it did so with me anyway. I don't see what's wrong with that, though. I'm not getting cheery, when I see someone lying on the streeet with blood around him in a radius of several metres and my mood would probably be affected negatively. But I'm a pretty different individual and such stuff affects everyone differently.
Anyway, thanks for sharing this. Now I have something to be pissed at again.
Schwaa2 on 24/11/2009 at 00:00
Quote Posted by jtr7
My best guess about the violence vs. stealing fears is that game-influenced stealing is much much more likely to occur than the brutality and murder. It can happen with less evidence and not be noticed its occurred for much longer.
We know that Thief-influenced real-world stealth has occurred a lot.:cheeky:
And yeah, the reviewers need to really play the game and pay attention as if their livelihood as a columnist depended on it.
Yes, I'm much more scared of someone stealing my precious scepter than someone killing a loved one.
I just don't get this mentality either. My Sister wouldn't let her son play Thief 'cuase she didn't wnat him to learn bad things. Of course talking everything you can find in Morrowind so you can afford a better sword is a non-issue.
And of course he gets to play all the war games he wants. No biggie. Ironically now he wants to join the army after school and she's afraid (we all are) that he'll get killed in Iraq.
But at least he isn't looting mansions of goblets and scepters (unless you consider supporting a war that takes money from all americans to put it in pockets of oil barrons), fighting with religious nuts (unless he goes to Iraq) ,
or blackjacking someone as opposed to killing them. Or even worse, NOT BJ'ing them and just sneaking past, heaven forbid!
