Words do not suffice....

Koki on 9/9/2009 at 13:23

I can't answer the first one. The moment I look at it, my hands immediately leave keyboard and reach for my forehead. And I don't have a headset.

Second one? Recently, here, yes.

SubJeff on 9/9/2009 at 13:46

Recently? It seems like its your religion.

So you're admitting to planned trolling. Interesting.

Come on, try me. What is wrong about that article. I haven't played Batman yet but I don't see it as been super dumb, just one guys take on it. Can you name on thing that is actually stupid?

mothra on 9/9/2009 at 15:05

i just read the article. I would never come to the conclusion that Batman is an RPG. nothing you do there is out of choice, everything is necessary to progress, you HAVE to clear this room. thugs inbetween "levels/missions" can be avoided but are few, most of the time you follow literally a path of breadcrumbs (detective mode). And yes, all the sidetracking DOES feel tacked on. The story is there to connect the challenge rooms, nothing more, not the other way around imo. Having said that, the primal emotion you get when playing Quake can be experienced here as well, only when beating thugs to pulp or hanging them upside down. therefore it's good enough to be a success as an good action brawler imo and a game I had no trouble finishing.
It could do with a "very hard" mode though. It's a little stupid Batman can survive a machinegun salvo.

Matthew on 9/9/2009 at 15:08

Not really; he's the goddamned Batman.

SubJeff on 9/9/2009 at 15:16

Quote Posted by mothra

I would never come to the conclusion that Batman is an RPG.

Really depends on your definition of RPG. I rank Thief as an RPG because you are playing the role of a thief and playing him hardcore. I imagine Batman is similar.

To put it in context its not like a generic FPS because despite gun, location, weapon differences you are just running and gunning. There is no unique role to play.

HL2 is a flip up the other side. Because Gordon never speaks but there is alot of character interaction I feel that Gordon is me rather than the other way around - he's the empty(ish) shell that I inhabit. In Thief it was more like this a had become Garrett.

Xenith on 9/9/2009 at 16:22

The guy that wrote the article wanted to say that the Batsy game has RP elements, he made a mistake saying it's an rpg (in the whole genre sense).

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Really depends on your definition of RPG.

By going with that then I might as well say Super Mario Bros. 2 is an rpg that has coop in it or that Half-Life is a platformer because you have to jump on different islands on Xen to move forward in the game. That's plain wrong. So if you rank Thief as an rpg then by all means do so, but don't make a banner saying "I like this rpg game" so that everyone can see it, because it then ends up in a thread on a forum on which people like making creepy dog self-fellatio tag stories (it's so awesome btw).

Koki on 9/9/2009 at 17:00

Quote Posted by Subjective Effect

So you're admitting to planned trolling. Interesting.

Trolling? What the hell does this have to do with trolling? This is General Gaming, and I'm giving my opinions like everyone else. If I said that, for example, Deus Ex is shit game then I'd be trolling - because that's not my opinion at all and I'd be doing just to piss you off.

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I rank Thief as an RPG because you are playing the role of a thief and playing him hardcore.

Then you're a moron. Look at me, I am playing Halo, it's best RPG ever because I'm playing the role of Master Chief(and playing it hardcore)!

gunsmoke on 9/9/2009 at 18:25

Quote Posted by Subjective Effect

Really depends on your definition of RPG. I rank Thief as an RPG because you are playing the role of a thief and playing him hardcore. I imagine Batman is similar.

Your definition of 'RPG' is really rather strange in my eyes. Thief? Whatever, but BATMAN:AA?!!?!! a Beat-'Em-Up if ever there was one. And Koki says it best:

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I am playing Halo, it's best RPG ever because I'm playing the role of Master Chief!

Your logic could put every single game ever made as an RPG. you assume the role of another entity in games...that is their bag. Come on man, you are an intelligent guy, surely you want to retract that statement, take some time to re-evaluate your argument, and post and post something more inline with the rational thoughts you are more than capable of.

mothra on 9/9/2009 at 20:35

wouldn't it be a cRPG then ? since I can't choose my class, hehe.
the game just makes good use of the character but the way they balanced it is that they put huge emphasis on fighting. one example: xp. if you take down 2 guys with the most elaborate traps, chase them around or take em out completely silent you get...i think 25xp per guy, depending on if they were armed. Now, if you do it like me and just punch 'em till they drop and never use a takedown, you get multipliers of 15x sometimes, giving you much more xp and in turn you can get all the gadgets they want to sell to you. it's also suffering from the wolfenstein hub effect were you have the same room used 4 times only each time with different armed thugs.....so being good at the game mechanics/the way they reward you emphasizes not to seperate groups and take them out one by one (unless armed) but to charge them head-on. that's a different take on batman and his persona I am used to. if - say - they would have incorporated a little more interactivity with the story and characters - like ButcherBay did really good - and didn't reward constant combat but "progression" in the story or paths you take it would have been better imo. but it's a good game nonetheless and I will sure replay it and would not have minded paying full price.

Zygoptera on 9/9/2009 at 21:27

Quote Posted by gunsmoke

And Koki says it best:

"Halo is an RPG" is insufficiently silly, though it has the advantage of some people actually thinking that way. I've always been partial to "Pong is an RPG, you play the role of a paddle" to illustrate the silliness.

OTOH, I do have some sympathy with defining games as an RPG if you identify yourself sufficiently with the avatar, and that is one thing Thief does do well- though it lacks pretty much everything else needed for it to be an RPG.