Yakoob on 12/12/2012 at 03:53
Quote Posted by Pyrian
We can get used to sleeping on concrete, that doesn't make it equivalent in comfort to memory foam.
Funny thing, it's now been a month since I've started sleeping on the floor. First three nights were terrible and left me sore, but now, my back feels so much better overall than the (crappy) mattress.
In my defense, I am talking about carpeted floor, not concrete. Also, the japanese do it like, all the time
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/Koobazaur/emot/crossedarms.gifVasquez on 12/12/2012 at 08:52
Quote Posted by Pyrian
We can get used to sleeping on concrete, that doesn't make it equivalent in comfort to memory foam.
What? I haven't said
everybody should stop wearing clothes, have I? You don't have to sleep on concrete, don't worry ;)
Quote Posted by Pyrian
For most people, getting dressed is a significant aesthetic improvement.
You're saying "I want to see less ugly, so dress up"? :)
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Walking around where people dress differently is not going to have the same impact as walking around where people don't dress.
I don't know, cultural differences can be quite powerful. For someone who has lived his entire life in a place where women are always so clothed you practically can't see even a glimpse of them, a mini skirt and bikini top might seem like practically (and offensively) nude.
heywood on 12/12/2012 at 08:58
I have no problem with naturists in public parks or nude sunbathing. But running naked is stupid. You at least need something like a jock strap to keep your testicles from flopping around and getting bruised or pinched or whatever. And female runners need bras.
SubJeff on 12/12/2012 at 11:16
Quote Posted by Al_B
You stated "clothing has meant we have evolved to be hairless and soft and so largely defenseless against the elements" implying that clothing has caused us to lack (body) hair and lose natural defenses. You're now stating the opposite - that clothing is the norm because it helps us compensate for environmental conditions (which is a far more reasonable assumption IMHO) but I'm still puzzled by the point you were originally trying to make.
Why must you think so linearly?
1. Recognise utility of clothes.
2. Clothes become the norm.
3. Evolve to be soft and hairless because clothes replace and supersede hair and thicker skin.
At some point along this path social norms develop and with them evolution of sexual attraction to fall in line with the social norm. Not because its the social norm mind you, but because its what we encounter. If it were the social norm to shine torches in everyone's face when you talk to them our eyes would eventually adapt.
Al_B on 12/12/2012 at 12:54
I'm not disagreeing with your points 1 and 2 at all, or your ultimate conclusion that clothes form a key element of sexual attraction due to the use of them in society. I am merely taking issue at your assertion that our evolutionary development has been driven by putting on clothes. However, I'm not a biologist and very happy to be corrected and it'd be interesting to discover if that's the case because it also affects how our future development and sexual preferences may be shaped by the modern lifestyle.
SubJeff on 12/12/2012 at 13:34
I don't know that, but I think given what we know about evolutionary drivers it seems unlikely that our relative defenselessness will have developed in isolation, no?
Phatose on 12/12/2012 at 18:39
Doesn't most scientific evidence have humanity spawning off from African tribesman who don't actually wear that much in the way of clothes? And if clothes were a factor in our hairlessness, wouldn't you expect people from hot climates who wear little in the way of clothes to be hairier then bundles up peoples from cold climates?
SubJeff on 12/12/2012 at 19:00
We don't know what that humanity was like when it split off though, do we? And yes, I don't think it's a straightforward correlation of hot = hairless, cold = hairy.
Vasquez on 12/12/2012 at 19:06
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wouldn't you expect people from hot climates who wear little in the way of clothes to be hairier then bundles up peoples from cold climates?
Why would they need more hair in hot climate? I'm not sure if there's scientific evidence of this, but it's quite common knowledge that in cold weather hair on our heads and bodies grow faster and thicker. I can also confirm this by my own experience, I get fluffy sideburns in winter :erg:
Neb on 12/12/2012 at 19:06
I have a memory of being 8 or 9 years old and seeing boobies in a newspaper and the article was about how humans lost their fur through sexual selection. Now if only there were boobies everywhere my memory might be a lot more vivid in general.
