redface on 12/4/2007 at 23:28
No, I meant pulling it off without having to modify mission files at all.
Same locations, same objectives, same AI etc.,but a completely different story and ingame texts. It could be a nice challenge for the non-dromeders amongst us. Maybe even contest worthy - like "make the most entertaining story and readables for Life of the party".
nicked on 17/4/2007 at 11:35
that's a cool idea. How much of a good FM can be made by not touching the editor at all! You could even overwrite conversation sound files and goals.str to change the story completely. As long as the way to complete the goals was the same, you could easily change the text for them.
BrokenArts on 17/4/2007 at 15:09
Oh this should be interesting, what a good idea. My god the possibilities are endless.
yubetcha on 17/4/2007 at 16:05
Except that in probably a minimum 99 percent of cases, you WOULD have to use the editor. You won't be able to just change the order of missions and voices. Take Dark Arrow's example. The order was not the only change that was made.
And if I were to finish mine, that's another one.
Vogelfrei on 17/4/2007 at 16:49
Maybe you can change their order (by editing missflag.str or something?). A lot is possible without touching DromEd since most, if not all, written text is saved outside the mis-files, as are all textures, sounds, conversations, AIs and their skins, menu graphics, even motions.
yubetcha on 17/4/2007 at 17:20
I am not saying that you can't change the order. I am sure that you can. But it takes more than that to make a new game. As I said above, in Dark Arrow's example, the order was not the only change that was made. The interior of the missions as well as the plot and the objectives would also be changed. And if I were to finish mine, that's another one. For example, Dark Arrow wrote for mission 3, " Getting to Truart won't be easy. Garrett must find out about the security of the City Watch headquarters. There is a whore in a local cell that might be usefull since he has been known to meet with City Watch officer Hagen. Garrett goes to a local City Watch base and releases the prostitute to gain information about Hagen and perhaps some proof Garrett could use.
And then Mission 4: Blackmail
Garrett breaks into Hagen's residence and confronts Hagen with the evidence. Hagen tells Garrett about Lt Mosley and that she has special keys to Sheriff's suite and she has master key to the headquarters of the City Watch.
Well, guys, I don't remember Garret going to the local jail and releasing a whore in T2. I also don't remember him going to Hagen's residence (as opposed to the office, etc. ). Perhaps he did, and I am just not remembering it. My point is that both missions would have to be changed in Dromed.
And then:
Mission 6: Rooftops
Garrett is going to the bank to frame Karras and steal Truarts gold. To get there safety he has to use the rooftops of the city.
But Garret doesn't start the bank mission by going across rooftops. Enter Dromed to change the start position and add rooftops. He also doesn't go there to steal Truart's gold. Another change. And these are just a few examples. I am sure that there are many more examples that one could think of. Actually, I can't think of one mission that could be changed without Dromed for reasons like these. It seems to me that if you change the plot, you must use Dromed.
Nameless Voice on 17/4/2007 at 18:54
You forgot one important point there, Digi.
The Balance has to have shifted towards the powers of order, to contrast the chaos and disorder of Constantine.
Quote Posted by Dark Arrow
Garrett enters Truarts suite on top of the headquarters and poisons his food.
Murder someone?!
How very unThief-like.
yubetcha on 17/4/2007 at 19:15
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
Murder someone?!
How very unThief-like.
We couldn't have an expert difficulty in this mission, could we?
:D
Dark Arrow on 18/4/2007 at 16:24
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
Murder someone?!
How very unThief-like.
Didn't someone write somewhere that Garrett was supposed to murder Ramirez for gold in the original plot of Ambush (?). However, it was changed to make Garrett a "good" character (?).
Thief 1 and 2 ending spoilers:
[SPOILER]Garrett does murder Constantine and Karras. He steal the Eye and while it is Constantine's own spell that kills him, Garrett is responsible for his death. Same thing with Karras. Garrett calls the servants back to the cathedral knowing full well that the rustgas will kill Karras.[/SPOILER]
Sure, he plays it cleaner than in my version and truth be told, I prefer the good Garrett.
Ottoj55 on 18/4/2007 at 21:04
i thought that thief the dark project was cobbled together from missions left over from dark camelot and that the difference thief 2 had was a coherent plot from the get go.
