PigLick on 24/5/2013 at 12:50
yeh true enough, I cant see myself getting one (haha) in the foreseeable future, if ever. Xbone.
Yakoob on 24/5/2013 at 15:16
Quote Posted by heywood
I think your earlier point was on the money. The relative success of the next gen consoles will have more to do with their media hub functionality than gaming. I think console gaming is pretty much at its peak, with PC gaming making a resurgence at the high end of the gaming market and tablet gaming taking a big bite out of the low end. But there's still a lot of growth potential in media streaming & sharing.
Quote Posted by PigLick
ffs I think the new xbox all sounds a little bit crap, but the teenage son market is long gone, they have their eyes on a whole new kinda player base.
Mmmhm I think that's a nice "big picture" summary.
Quote Posted by faetal
The reason I keep saying "for me" is precisely so I'm not claiming to speak for everyone. My opinion is only that.
I like the idea of one box that just works, but unless it was replacing my PC, I'd be spending a lot of extra money for it and since I work damned hard for my money, aren't I just displacing the effort saved from setting up the PC?
Oi, and I am the same, I much prefer a beefy PC I can tinker to do whatever I want it to, than a all-in-one box that MS/apple/whatever decided for me what I want it to do :p
(btw check PM forums, major update as we're getting close to the end woot woot :D )
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
Sure, but what's to stop someone else making a media centre for less than $500 bucks with a nice UI if folk see a market for such a thing? Why would consumers want Xbox One?
And that's what MS needs to answer. But they do have the benefit of brand name and exclusivity. Stuff like netflix, games or metro apps might not be readily available on competitor products.
jay pettitt on 24/5/2013 at 15:32
Netflix isn't an MS exclusive (it's on PS3 right?). So, err, Metro Apps it is then...
I don't see that MS is in a strong place in the living room other than high-horsepower video games aimed at males of a certain age demographic. And I'm not sure MS is showing it's got anything exciting for said audience with Xbox One yet.
Muzman on 24/5/2013 at 16:10
Someone's probably said it already, but yeah everyone's trying to be that "One stop, all in one living room media box!" including your set top box, cable receiver and the television itself. So if you want a few different system exclusive games you'll end up with four of the things (if you haven't got a media PC or something already, and aren't planning on the steam box if an when it appears). All of them with their own exclusive content and finicky security to jealously guard their data streams from any sort of convenience.
The next few years are what the phrase 'cluster fuck' was coined for I think.
Sulphur on 24/5/2013 at 16:47
Man, are Apple, Sony, Microsoft and whomever else gonna feel really silly when the TVs themselves start doing everything their little boxes under the TVs are purported to bring about.
Well, maybe not Sony, since they happen to make a certain brand of TVs.
Vivian on 24/5/2013 at 16:56
Ok, so maybe no-one here is going to buy one (is anyone actually going to buy one), but the next generation of consoles are spec-wise somewhat in line with a decent mid-range PC, right? So the limiting factors in game level size, AI behaviour, graphics and that, have all been lifted, a lot, for anything being developed cross-platform. This can only be a good thing.
Sulphur on 24/5/2013 at 17:21
I'm buying a PS4, because as a consumer, my sight's firmly fixed on what I can get out of it now, and not whether it's some gimmicky Orwellian thing that promises to streamline my remote by shunting tactile control to verbal command.
MS, smart as they are, are probably going to try and outdo your set-top box by aggregating TV show/web search and usage data for everything you do with their box and sell it to your local broadcast corporations to base their programming and advertising decisions on. The data'd probably be easily digestible than if they simply pulled it out of everyone's set-top boxes. Of course, that's not the only information they can sell - Kinect can see in the dark, after all, and now it's bundled with the box. Sweet. Welcome to Internet 3.0, where 1984 was just a few decades off the mark.
Tin foil aside -- I'm not taking all that 100% seriously, but the fact that it's possible leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. It's time to get privacy laws on the bandwagon. And apart from that, MS just doesn't seem to care about the games so much.
Which brings me back to the PS4: taking MS's broad, long-term play at the living room out of the equation, to me as a consumer interested in gaming, it seems like the more capable, future-proofed box that can do pretty much everything useful that the Xbun can in terms of a media hub, plus bring Sony's fearsome first party developer power to bear in terms of exclusives. The fact that it's easier to program at the moment than the Xbun (
http://www.edge-online.com/news/ps4-is-more-powerful-than-xbox-one-on-paper-but-microsoft-will-catch-up-says-avalanche-studios/) (!) and theoretically much faster is icing on the cake in terms of third-party games as well. It's a no-brainer.
PC gaming with midrange hardware, of course, isn't going to easily counter a possible 6 GB of vRAM at any given moment right now. But give it a couple years and that's still easily going to be surpassed; PCs already have far more computational grunt right now anyway, so the wining formula for me remains, as always, a PC and a Sony console to complement each other.
Yakoob on 24/5/2013 at 17:38
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
Netflix isn't an MS exclusive (it's on PS3 right?). So, err, Metro Apps it is then...
I don't see that MS is in a strong place in the living room other than high-horsepower video games aimed at males of a certain age demographic. And I'm not sure MS is showing it's got anything exciting for said audience with Xbox One yet.
Aye, I was referring more to the "anyone can make a home theater system" - while that's true, it's easier for MS or Sony to get good licensing deals with various desirable 3rd party services (such as Netflix) than JoeShmoeBoxtertainment™ System. Hence, while things like Netflix aren't 'exclusive' to MS, they tend to be exclusive to big and popular platforms, so the smaller players may have a harder time catching up. But that can change with Apps and droid os (I know there is a Netflix app for iPhone so I assume there's one for droid too?)
EDIT: alright so netflix probably isn't the best example since it can be freely accessed via a web browser, but you know what I mean
Pyrian on 24/5/2013 at 18:20
Kinect-PC may mean that the only reason I own an Xbox 360 will not apply to the XBone.
CCCToad on 24/5/2013 at 19:55
Quote Posted by Sulphur
Tin foil aside -- I'm not taking all that 100% seriously, but the fact that it's possible leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. It's time to get privacy laws on the bandwagon. And apart from that, MS just doesn't seem to care about the games so much.
Good luck with that, when congress and Obama are aggressively pushing legislation to REDUCE privacy for your electronic communications.
Also, Cracked sums this up fairly well.
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http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-features-new-xbox-that-are-about-to-ruin-everything/)
